Hellraiser (1987) The Iconic Pinhead Arrives | Justin's Picks

The pod. You opened it. We came. The guys are back discussing a rather polarizing horror flick. Is it everything it claims to be? All Guts, So Gory brings you 1987's, Hellraiser. Written and directed by Clive Barker. Starring Andrew Robinson, Claire Higgins, Ashley Laurence, and Doug Bradley.

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SPEAKER_01 0:01

What if the worst thing in the world wasn't death, but pleasure taken too far? Today we're talking about a movie where pain and pleasure blur together. A box opens a doorway to hell, and somehow the humans are worse than the demons. All Guts So Gory presents 1987 Hellraiser.

SPEAKER_03 0:20

I have seen the future of Horror. His name is Clive Barker. He has the key to shock you. To quit you, to take you beyond the limits of late terrorist.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

The Mad and the Commons.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

I'm just gonna back your brain. Playtime's over.

SPEAKER_03 1:02

We're gonna know what it's nice and dice.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

All right, welcome to another great episode of All Guts So Gory Podcast. A podcast where three above-average smart, above average intelligent people that go around and talk about. We rotate horror movies and we talk about them. All the good, the bad, and the ugly on them. With me today, I have Mike the slasher fanatic, Charlie the wildcard elder statesman of the group, and myself somewhere in between. The goofball, if you will. The goofball, if you will. Yeah, today, as mentioned, we are talking about the 1987 classic, yeah, maybe we'll say cult classic horror film Hellraiser. So before we the reason I picked this, I did going a little out of order, is I watched this a long, long time ago. Once again, this there shouldn't be no indictment of my parents' parenting skill or anything like that, but but I watched this movie probably around 10 or 11 years old. We all saw stuff way too young. It wasn't our parents' fault. We sought it out, and at the time, this was probably the first example of just like truly evil people, and also it touched on all this weird like bondage and sadomasochism and things like that. So it stuck with me as a like a creepy and I should not be watching this film, right? It's the first one maybe that I was watching, and I was like, I shouldn't be watching this, but I didn't stop me. No, I was like interested at that point. It's almost like Frank when he got the box, right? You know, box. So so it holds a different place in my I I think I reviewed this on IMDb as a nine, and that's because I watched it over 30 years ago. Wow. So after watching it again more recently, I'm changing that with more sober goggles. Probably no, it's still gotta be seven because it stood out against what else was out in the market at the time. So I'm still I'm bringing it down a couple notches, rightfully so. So, gentlemen, uh, let's start with Charlie. How old were you when you saw this? What did we think at the time? You know, how many times? What's our relationship with the overall? And you know, just go into it.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

So it came out in 87, September 87, but uh September 87. I just started college. I saw it in a theater. Your mom goes to college. Oh, sorry. And I thought it was, you know, for the time it was good. It was, you know, not very many people I knew except for the one guy, Larry the Dad. Um Larry. But I mean, it's a more than just a cult movie. It had a billion sequels and has a following. They remade it, reenvisioned it, whatever you call it, in 22? Yes, yeah, we saw that one together, I think. Yeah, I got issues with this movie, but I mean, that one that was when I first saw it.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

So Hellraiser was one that I didn't get into for a very long time. Uh you know, we all see stuff to see stuff way too young, but this was one I don't remember making the rounds on cable. It wasn't one that when I went to the video store too young, I pulled off the shelf. It wasn't one that anybody I knew owned it, so I didn't get to you know sneak it when I was at you know my cousin's house or any of that kind of stuff. I was a young adult when I finally pulled this one off the shelf at Blockbuster. Disappointed is the word that I would use because Pinhead is an iconic figure in horror. He is plastered all over stuff, he is an iconic Halloween costume. But for a horror movie, yes, there's gore and blood and guts in this, there's no jump scares. Pinhead also barely in this movie. For being touted as very adult in nature, very sexually charged. This came out the same week, uh the same day as Fatal Attraction. Fatal Attraction ten times more sexually charged than this movie is. I mean, there is like a sex scene, but I don't get the subtext. Again, you're gonna get simple mic on this show, where I don't get the subtext that some people claim is in there, with it's an allegory for you know AIDS being prevalent in the 80s and BDSM and gay sex and all that stuff. And I did not like really get that. I'm like, yeah, pinhead dresses in black leather, the Cena bites are in black leather, there's chains and hooks. That wasn't part of the sexual stuff. The only sex scene is a girl cheating on cheating on her husband with his uh brother. Like it's yeah, that's the only sex in the movie, so it's not as sexually charged as they want you to think it is. And you mentioned pleasure versus pain in the opening. Where is the pleasure in this movie? There is none.

SPEAKER_02 5:57

That is my issue with this, right? It's not all of the sequels.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Yeah, there's no pleasure versus pain, it's just pain.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Well, the line is so close, it's blurred.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

That's what they seem like a pretty broad, wide line, and they're way on the pain side.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

A little heavy, they're like major pain.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Yeah, they're like they even say in the movie, you know, but like uh the torture of hell and the pleasure of heaven. Right. There's no pleasure, there's there's no 70 virgins or whatever the the Muslims are about when you martyr 70 nuance, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

So I've been told. Alright, so it is important to note that this this movie was supposed, well, was slated to get like an X rating, and they had to they had to chop it down, they had to reenvision some of the scenes. Like, for example, the sex scene was supposed to be pretty graphic, but they decided let's chop it down and put a switchblade in there instead so we can have other stuff stay in the film, right? So so this was Clive Barker's first attempt at directing something that he has written. So he was happy to get it made, right? So he was kind of if I can get this made by taking this out, I'm gonna do it, right? So unfortunately, maybe maybe he caved too much on some stuff. All right. So let's jump into a little bit of the cast and crew and some of the facts. If if nobody has any objections. No, no, all right, go for it. Movie was released in 1987, as I mentioned, director's Clive Barker, New World Pictures, and a runtime of 93, 94 minutes, depending on which site you're looking at. So it should have been one that Mike, you know, was all about that 90 minutes. But I do agree that it for 90 minutes it felt like two hours. It dragged a little bit. It does. So uh the cast and the crew. I mean, there's not a ton of so uh we had Ashley Lawrence play Kurt Christie, Claire Higgins play Julia, Andrew Robinson as Larry, stand out a very a scene stealing role in the 1971 Dirty Harry. Yeah, he was known credited as killer, but I think it's supposed to be based on like the Zodiac type killer, correct? Yep. He did steal the scenes on that one, and it was interesting because when I first when you first see him, he's very mild manner and almost a good guy, right? But then he gets to you know flip at the end. Not him, but you know, Frank is wearing his his skin later and he gets to play both sides. So I thought that was good casting there.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

He's also Sergeant Botnik in Child's Play 3. Is that the one that uh was that you wanted to get it the most, or no? So Sergeant Botnik, I didn't even real I didn't even know that's what his name was in the movie. He's just the barber in Child's Play 3, but I didn't really didn't even recognize it until you you read the credits because you know, in Dirty Harry and in this movie in Hellraiser, he's got like some long hair, some curly hair. He's got a straight up military flat top in Child's Play 3 because he is the barber, so like and he's got a mustache, which he doesn't have in Dirty Harry or this either. So doesn't really look like him, but once you see it, you're like, Oh yeah, that is him. And yeah, I've seen that 50 times and never knew his name was Sergeant Botnik, but he's the barber.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Is that the Presto You're Bald? Yes, that's him. And then Chuck, you said your favorite line, the Presto, You're Dead. Presto, you're dead. Nice, okay. Good stuff. Yeah, I think I've seen Claire Higgins in maybe Ready Player One recently, but she's done a lot of stuff in England, and Kirsty I don't know from from much.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

So I think they could have recast Claire Higgins, to be honest, but I know Clive Barton's. Not had enough, is that what you're saying? Well just a better actress for such a big role. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Okay, so limited budget. I know. We're gonna knit some, we're gonna pick some knits here in a little bit. So where do we think, where do you two think this movie took place?

SPEAKER_00 10:08

Like it's supposed to be the UK. Is it the UK? But is it New York City?

SPEAKER_01 10:13

It's yes, it was supposed to be England. It was shot in England, yeah, but we're supposed to believe it's you know New England, like it's supposed to be in America for some reason. Maybe it's a marketing type type thing they wanted it to take place in. So so you have Claire Higgins, who's who's British, doing a North Atlantic accent sometimes, and then other characters that are just like American as can be, and then some that are the that switch, right? Right. So yeah, you've got some problems with that. We can pick those knits a little later. The star and the most memorable part of the entire movie is Pinhead, played by Doug Bradley. He went on to play Pinhead, I believe, in seven of the sequels, which is pretty solid. Yeah. Then the reinvision one, they went with a whole new actor together. I mean, I'm sure that he had to turn some down just because they're like, nah, this looks bad. This looks really bad. Credited as Lead Cinnabite. Lead Cinnabite. He in the in the short story, do we know the name of the short story?

SPEAKER_00 11:17

I don't know the name of the short story.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

I know Brian Barker called him the Hell Priest. I apologize. It's based on a short story called The Hellbound Heart. So in that one, I guess he was known as the engineer or the hell priest. So, yes, pinhead is something I think the fans all collectively decided on together. We're like, that's pinhead.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

He's not referred to as pinhead until the third one, apparently. I don't know, I haven't watched any of the sequels because didn't like the first one. Um, but apparently he wasn't called pinhead until the third one, and Clive Barker doesn't even like the term pinhead. But come on, man. Like it fits. It's pinhead. Could be pinhead. It is what it is. Yeah, better than nail face.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Nail face would have been all right for me. Perfect, like the design of Pinhead is has always been something that's been amazing. Incredible, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Incredible Halloween costume, incredible movie poster. Yeah, the makeup effects were being in the 1980s, so good, so good.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

It plays well with the self-harm or the pain pleasure type thing. The black, black contact lenses, he couldn't see through those apparently, but makes a good image.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

I think even for like casual moviegoers that aren't even horror fans, if you are like, hey, you ever seen Hellraiser? They probably say no, but they'll be like, Is that the guy with the pins all over his face? Like, yeah, they know the image is iconic.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Is that the one with lead centibyte in it? Yeah, it is the one with lead centibyte. Let's let's do this now. What do we think of the other centibyte designs? Well, we got throat gina.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

Throat gina. Um, we got goggle head, dickhead. We got I don't know what their names are.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

We got the chattering teeth, the butterball or something like that. Oh, do they? He looks like just a giant penis head.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

I don't know. Goggles.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

We got chatter teeth chattering teeth. That one stood out in my memory pretty well.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

But they don't really do anything because the makeup was so heavy that they weren't allowed to talk. So the throat gina, whatever her name is, whatever that centibyte's name is, she's the one that got all of those other lines. Right. Because with the makeup job on the other actors, they they couldn't say their lines. Charlie D. She said them all.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Didn't you say that was a hear me out situation? No, it was not. You don't have to be shy on the podcast. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. You know, hear me out, throw Gina lady. Um so the movie was, like I said, 94 minutes, budget was a million dollars, which for all the special effects and just goo and gore and and stop motion and things in this. I mean, a million's a tight budget. So they had to go with these lesser-known actors, right? And then they grabbed, you know.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Yeah. And some of the stuff at the end of the movie like doesn't look as good, and that's where they basically ran out of money. Make a bit of sense. They had to shoot some stuff.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

I don't know if I've ever seen it as many continuity issues as this might have. This got a lot of a lot of issues with it. But it box office return in the US was about 14, and then I think worldwide it was about 30. So once again, it's a formula for success, not like a wild, you know, you're gonna fall under the pressure of trying to make the next one, but it's still like profitable for the studio, right? Yeah, little redemption here. IMDB ranks this as 6.9. After I drop my score down to a little to a seven, it might change the total. But Rotten Tomato gives it a 70 with a Metacritic of 56. So those are all solid marks, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Undeserved, but they are solid. Wow. Wow. I'll pose a question. Let's hear it. This came out in '87, and this is when Freddie and Michael, like Michael's at his peak, past his peak, Freddie, Jason at their peaks of their powers. They wanted to not be Freddie, Jason, Michael. They wanted this to be something different, they didn't want it to be campy, they wanted it to be intelligent. Is this like was Clive Barker trying to make elevated horror before that was a thing? I think so. And is this like ahead of its time?

SPEAKER_01 15:27

I think there's certain things that we don't talk about at dinner tables, right? We don't talk about it even at like casual conversations, and that goes into that like the sexual deviancy, right? Like, and I think that's what he wanted to get into. And I I don't know if I'd say elevated, but different. I would say for sure he wanted to, he didn't want to be a Jason or a Freddie. What are your thoughts, Charlie?

SPEAKER_02 15:49

He he hit the mark. I mean, I there's no comparison between those franchises and Hellraiser. It's right, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Yeah. Like he didn't want Pinhead to like say something cheesy before killing someone, but he also didn't want to be like a silent killer like a Jason. Like he wanted it to be intelligent.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

More skewed towards Freddie than Jason, I guess, because there's a more I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

Freddy's are more of a thinkers, but he's still campy. I don't think he even wanted the camp element.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

I think you're correct on this one. Didn't you what's our relationship with Clive Barker too? Does anybody else read anything?

SPEAKER_02 16:25

I've read a few of his books. They're they they do stick with you. I mean, they get in your brain. And then I've seen several of the Clive Barker movies. Most were better than this one. I don't know if he'd wrote or directed those, but they were based on his work.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Let's talk a little bit. I think he wrote Candyman. Did he Lord of Illusion and this franchise are the main ones? Are there any other ones that pop out?

SPEAKER_00 16:51

I'm not a book reader for um single mic here today. There is I can't remember what it is now. But I do know that this is him and Stephen King both did wanted somebody else to, or both did not want somebody else to adapt their projects. Because Stephen King has a history of projects that were adapted that somebody else wrote and took the reins on and directed, that he did not like, the shining being the most famous one. So that's why at Maximum Overdrive in '86, Stephen King did the screenplay and directed that because he was tired of other people making his work, adapting it, and it not being what he wanted. So that's why Clive Barker did that here with Hellraiser. I looked at a couple other names because I wondered how how often this happens. Couple like Mario Puzo also wrote the screenplay for The Godfather. Jillian Flynn did the screenplay for Gone Girl. David Benioff wrote the screenplay for 25th hour, the Spike Lee joint. So there's plenty more, but those are like some of the most prominent ones. So it's not something that happens often, but it's not outrageous either that it happens.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

I did forget to mention one. I don't know if I think I've mentioned it on the podcast, but you guys haven't seen it. Nightbreed? Have you seen Nightbreed? Yeah, I've seen Nightbreed. Nightbreed was fun, it was different. It's another one of those, it's a creature feature type of thing, but like elevated, if you will, with their thinking creatures.

SPEAKER_03 18:19

Yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

And even with movie making, there's still somebody at the end of the line that's gonna be like, hey, you gotta take out X, Y, and Z. Now I don't know. You guys might know this. Do authors, when they write a book, write a novel, do they have a publisher that's like that page gotta go? They have editors that like are they telling them, like, hey, you can't put that in print, like that's gotta go. Or we gotta cut 30 pages somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Or maybe not that that big, but I am I can only imagine, because I am have been neither a writer or an editor, that they, you know, you know, give them helpful hints. Like, I mean, I read it, this makes sense, but this part doesn't make I mean it it it would seem like if it got rid of or maybe replaced it with this, it would make more sense. But I feel like once you're at Clive Barker, Stephen King level, right, unless you are a person that really trusts the editor who's reading it and giving you notes, and you listen to them because you worked with them for a while and you trust them, whatever the relationship might be, these guys could do whatever the fuck they want to do and still get published.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

I like to make the comparison to back when Roger Clemens was on Houston, and anytime a manager would go out to the mound to talk to him, I just pictured him saying, I'm Roger Effed Clemens, man. Right, get out of here. Yeah, what are you gonna tell me that I don't know? Exactly. But no, I'm with Chelsea.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

The Ravens had Jim Caldwell as an offensive coordinator for a minute, and I always thought I'm like, he was the offensive coordinator for the Colts with Peyton Manning. Talk about the easiest job in the world. Like Peyton Manning's calling all the shots. Exactly. It's like being the head coach for a team LeBron James is on. Like, you're not doing shit.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

Right. I'd like to say LeBron's not as good as he was, you know. So JJ's doing his thing, okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

With Eric's Eric Spolstra during the heat right with LeBron and Chris Bosch and Dwayne Wade, like he was not doing shit. I could have head coached that team too. Right. At least the semifinals, probably. All I gotta say is hey guys, work together.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Be a team.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

Team, there's no eye in team.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

But there is a meat pie. Team pie is an anagram for so I don't know if this is a famously known fact, but Doug Bradley and Clive Barker are friends. They both did theater together. So, once again, another way to save a little bit of money and people, right place, right time. You know, which is funny. You were talking about the meat pie situation. Right place, right time. You got your friends to help you do this, and it all works out. Anybody else want to talk about anything before going into the movie itself?

SPEAKER_00 21:01

No, I mean, I think uh one thing I looked up was that came out the same day as Fatal Attraction. Fatal Attraction was the second highest grossing movie of 1987. They both have skinned things in them. They do.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

I think. Didn't the bunny get skinned in that one? Boiled.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

A boiled skin at first, right? Or was it all boiled? You only see the ears popping out of the pot. Yeah. We actually recently watched that one because with Teddy? No, no. Well, he might he actually might have been on his iPad sitting in the room not paying attention. I can't remember, but I think Mary Marie was watching Bring's Owns' Diary, which I haven't seen, but I guess they referenced Fatal Attraction, and she's like, I never seen that. So she'd wanted to watch it, so I sat down and watched it for I've seen it a couple times, but yeah, I knew like everything was coming, and I was like, it was the first time I watched it in a while, and I was like, Yeah, yeah, really good movie. But then kind of just a coincidence here now that we're doing Hellraiser, which came out the same day as that movie that I watched a week ago.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Charlie, didn't you graduate high school?

SPEAKER_02 22:00

School in 87 wasn't I yeah, I said I was it was I just started college when it came out. You could have had a sabbatical, I don't know. But I said it.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Jeez. Before we go too far into this one, I don't actually I'm gonna save another knit. Another knit. I'm ready to start reviewing the movie super fast because this one doesn't need to be done in a way that we've done some other ones. Agreed. Cool. Let's do it. Alright, let's go with let's start with a short summary like I like to do. A man opens a mysterious puzzle box and is torn apart by demonic beings called Cenobites. When he partially returns, he manipulates manipulates his lover into killing men to rebuild his body while his niece uncovers the horrifying truth. I mean in a nutshell, I guess. Not a bad nutshell. It does feel a little have you guys seen like Diablo League or some other films that are just more like they're more like crimes where it's like there's love passion crimes situation. There's a lot of that makes it into this movie. You know. Alright. So we start off. There will be a little bit of deep stuff in here, but we start off in Morocco. Shout out to our Morocco fans. Woo, that's why I picked it. Yeah. With a man, which it was important for them to show us he has dirty ass fingernails. Incredibly dirty.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Like I've been I've been playing in the dirt all day and not have had that much dirt under my fingernails.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

Like he actually took the nail file and pushed them in so he could fit more dirt on it. It was like a straight line. And he had cash and he and he's buying this box, and we're like, oh, this box is no good, right? Paying a lot of money for it. He's paying a lot of money for it.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

It's like 2K there. Okay. I mean well, it was like stacks of 50s, and he puts like one stack down. And I guess I don't know if the guy was like, that's not enough or whatever, but then he really, really wants, he puts another stack down. Gotcha. But it's it's like in a rubber band. I'm like, it's probably like two thousand bucks. Yeah. Easy. Maybe more.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

Smash cut to him, candles all around, performing some kind of ritual, sees light coming in through some slats in the window, chains come. He's blown up, basically. We I think we do see the hooks, we do see set the centibytes briefly in this. Do we just see chains? We don't yet. The chains just come out of the wall with the hooks, the hooks go into him. Right. And he blows up, rips apart. But then there is a centibyte that we see the hand putting the face together. Yes. Like in like a little four-piece puzzle, right? Easiest puzzle ever. Which I do want to say that's not how eyes work. The face is not. Your eyes are not part of your face. They're like different inside your head. But I'm not, you know, I'm not a doctor. I didn't go to doctor school. I didn't go to doctor school either. All right. So anyway, boom. Gross explosion. Most of them, you know, they they close the box and most of him disappears, right?

SPEAKER_03 25:17

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

Right? We're all together so far. Yep. And then a family's moving in. Doors unlocking, family comes in. We meet Larry and who is it? Julia. Julia. We don't meet Christy yet.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Yeah. Before we see them, though, we get a look around this house, and it is fucking crazy. That's what I was going to get to.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

That's where I wanted to get next. Is this the grossest house? It is. And least romantic place to ever you go, somebody takes you home to this house, and you're like, nah. Yeah, and even after they inquires, clean it up.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

I mean, this place is still fucking falling down. Let's do that. Let's do that now.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

They inherited this, right? Right. They didn't buy the house, they inherited the it was their old. I think Frank and he owned it. The realtor is supposed to like clean it up for showing. No.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

It was uh from Frank. Maggots and shit in the kitchen. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

Roaches, maggots, even like roaches. Like Julia walks in and is like roaches having quaters with maggots.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Maggots having sex with roaches. It's crazy. Food and dogs living together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:21

No hysteria.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

So that, yeah, we need to talk about this house a little more because like we're gonna fix it up and we're gonna move in. They didn't fix up shit, man. We're gonna have a dinner party. Like, do you know? Like, I if you can see mold, like that's just like you can't live in that house. That house should have been condemned.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

Every single time they go up the steps, and you're like, this that ceiling looks like it's about to cave in. Dirty everywhere. It takes me out of it. I'm like, this house fucking sucks. Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

It's bad. It's real bad. Yeah. Okay. So they come in, they find the mattress on the ground, and they find a box with photos in it and a little trinket, which obviously Frank, it's Frank's trinket because Frank is a freaking perv, and he needs little like ceramic dolls to banging each other. You know, that's Frank. Oh Frank. Oh, Frank. Frank was here. And Larry's like, I know what you're thinking. Don't worry about it. All this stuff's gotta go. Frank will take the cash for it, right? But you know, secretly Julia. Why do I keep because she doesn't look like a Julia? I don't know what it is. Julia's a hard name to say because it's a good one.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Yeah. So Julia. That's a while. While Larry's distracted, she opens the box. Not the scariest box, but more evidence that Frank is a sex addict. Frank is a perv, he's a hedonist, whatever, right? She's flipping through him. Oh no, there's different ethnicities. Oh, how how crazy is Frank? I'm surprised they didn't show him getting pegged or something too in there. Today's version would have had him getting pegged with a ball gag for sure. But yeah, she takes one, and that's our first sign that there's something there. Some kind of little love or lust for Frank, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Yeah. So so then it's like smash cuts and then moving. Well, we hear from first, they get a phone call, and the angriest way to answer a phone I've ever seen on TV was like, hey, Jilly, just who is this? I'm like, shit, man. Most people say hello.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

Isn't it like they hung called and hung up like 50 times before that?

SPEAKER_01 28:34

So Kirsty calls. And yeah, Kirsty's got to come by eventually. But there's some kind of there, it it shows us that she's estranged from them a little bit or doesn't like Julia, which who would look at Julia. Oh my god. The second I saw Julia, I'm like, this is a bad person. This is a bad guy, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Yeah, she's got the haircut that's off putting.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Oh my god. That haircut. She looks mean mugging. Is that RBF? Or would you is that worse than RBF? Oh yeah. Is there RCF? No, I can't say that. Mike says it, but I don't. What? I mean, I could. I don't give a shit. Now if I said RMF with the one from your Jason podcast, you know. What's that one? The one I said, you know what Jason looks like. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, move past that. Move past that. All right. Yeah. Bring up old shit. Well, okay. I I jumped past him solving the box in the beginning, but this is going to be a little hectic. He solves the box. Is this the easiest puzzle box anybody has ever seen in their life? I mean, he just rolls it over and it's like, dude, what's really weird about it is so he bought it in Morocco.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Yeah. Obviously, Frank is not the brightest because he brought up he couldn't figure out how to open it until he got all the way back to England. Like, this guy's not gonna wait. He's not gonna wait. He's gonna go to his Moroccan hotel room and bust that thing wide open.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Maybe, yeah. I mean, but he seemed a little like he was setting the candles up. He wasn't gonna set that up in a hotel room.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

He probably had to get his fix, you know, he probably had to get all his stuff. He he had to do it in front of his little Asian trinket where they're banging each other.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

Nobody would do it in like a hospital bed or you know.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

Yeah, well, they to open it, you had to like tw twirl the circles on it, right? It wasn't just like hold here.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

It plays loosey goosey with the rules, like because she's just spinning around and automatically starts.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Because later pop it out, opens it like no big deal.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

And she like puts it back and she changes like the configuration. Yeah, to get rid of specific cinnabons. You wouldn't know how to cinnabons. Cinnabons are done. Anyway, so this is this is a liability. This puzzle box is a liability. Come on, Cinnabites. Put a warning label on this. Some kind of if you if you crack it open, we will come situation. Right. Warn people. Yeah, anyway. Let's just jump ahead a little bit to so we know what happened in that room, in the attic room upstairs, right? We get some creepy ass moving people coming in to help move a mattress up the stairs. They're like staring down Kirsty and Julia. I think they were hoping to go.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Julia first. I'm like, what are you guys looking at? Is Julia like? Then Larry goes and gets some beer. Like, get back to fucking work. Yeah. Well, that was like that's the weirdest thing about this part is like they're they're struggling to get the mattress up around the corner, up this flight of steps. And then uh one of the guys is like, Hey, you got any beer? She's like, Yeah, in the fridge, but she doesn't move, and so Larry's like, I guess I'll get it. Yes, I don't have anything else to do. I had better to do.

SPEAKER_01 31:33

I think they thought Julia was down a clown, and she might have been. She might have been.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

Yeah, well, from what we soon find out. So, I mean, I but then don't bring your brother around, or no, but then they cut to Kirsty, like walking down like the shipyard, like along the water. She's obviously nowhere near the house. Like she was in a fucking park. She was looking around. Later, like she arrives at the house and they're still like moving where they were. Because then Larry comes out of the kitchen when Kirsty arrives and is like, hey guys, here's the beer, and throws them like a four-pack, like just tosses them. I'm like, Have you ever handed anybody a beer before? That's back when you actually had to rip, like, you pulled the tabot of the room. Yeah, and they're still standing like in the doorway with the mattress, like haven't moved an inch. It's like so in the like that 10 seconds, Kirsty's made it from somewhere else in town all the way to this house in the middle of the street. She's amazed by right.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

She's like, oh and then she tries to squeeze through them. It's a good setting for a for a movie shot, I guess, but it didn't fit. There was a lot of stuff that didn't necessarily fit. But yeah, like they they foreshadowed the F out of that nail. But in the meantime, I mean, Julia's up there basically hand in her pants, touching herself to the her memories of Frank while this nail is showing.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

Is that when we find out what happened between them?

SPEAKER_01 32:51

She starts to remember him showing up in the ring. Are you gonna invite me in?

SPEAKER_00 32:56

I'm Frank. I'm brother Frank. He's like an Italian accent out of nowhere, like pieces. And he's just like, you know, shirt open. Right. Like, okay, I'm brother Frank. Can I come in? Can you bring me a towel? Like and then they have sex on her wedding dress. What am you guys? What? Like did they get it out of the closet? Oh, and he's also like wetting her mouth for a minute. Like, what the fuck is going on here?

SPEAKER_01 33:23

He knew she was into it though. She's down to clown.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

But I mean, see I was super soap.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

Is she the thirstiest character we've seen in a movie so far? Of the ones we've reviewed. Probably. She's gotta be the thirstiest that well, there was the one girl that was trying to get with uh the wheelchair guy, and uh yeah, she was pretty thirsty, fighting for position.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Yeah, this is okay. So there were no attractive characters in this. Right. I don't think they had the budget for attractive. For a horror movie made in the 80s, I was very disappointed back in the day. And I mean, we're in a new world, but I mean, we'll judge it on at its time frame and no hardly any nudity. Just like one time. Why is Frank the most attractive human being in this movie? And I'm talking about Frank when he was all like no skin.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

It's how he carried himself, okay? It was that company. It was the comment.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

God damn, like who cast this? And why are they?

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Well, Clive's like, what can I get for$72? And they're like, Well, you got this guy, he's right out of jail. Fingernails are dirty as shit. Anyway, they do this little bit where Larry can't stand blood, so they have to rush to the doctor, rushes away, and the blood absorbs into the floorboards, and there's a piece, some kind of organic material left over from Frank in the cleanup. They didn't get absorbing. Didn't get it at all. And I guess he's a little bit of a vampire something where the blood energizes him. At first, I was like, does it have to be family blood? Yeah, does it have to be family blood? Are you in danger, girl? Yeah, no, you do it does not just have to be family blood. Because we find that out. We'll jump around a little bit, but Julia makes her way into the attic and he pops out like a like a gross little thing. Okay, first of all, let's talk about the him reviving scene. That was, I mean, not bad. Nice and gooey. It was good for the time.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Best movies, the makeup effects for me. Oh, for sure. For what it for what you get for the 80s, this was top-notch makeup effects. It's really good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Really, the star of the show is the guy who did the special effects. The makeup guy, the guy who's talking about that guy for like 20 minutes. Right.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

Stop motion. They did some reverse stop motion type stuff in it. But uh brain comes out of the floor. Brain, like a tiny, a tiny little brain and like tiny little arms.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

I was like, oh and then like goes up to the brain and like attaches itself. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Slimy as hell. Slimy, doing it. Kind of a la like parts of the thing, right? Where there's some slimy scenes in it.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Even as Frank like later on gets more and more evolving. Right. This fucking makeup looks great.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

He looked okay. Uh we'll we'll get to that in a little bit, but he did look his first evolution, he looked drier than later. I mean, I guess that makes sense. The muscles and the blood and stuff start to happen. So dry muscles first. I don't know. I didn't put them back together. Right. But so special effects for Frank and Julia meet again, and somehow he closes the door. He's strong enough to keep her in the room. Explain, it's Frank. Don't look at me, it's Frank. Don't look at me, it's Frank. A lot of that stuff, right? And she's like, Ugh.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

I'm hideous.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Ugh, I've been in that. She's been in me before. But the idea of having Frank back, she just leaves him in the room. Didn't tell him yes or no or anything, but leaves him.

SPEAKER_02 36:55

I'll get back to you.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

But while she's in bed, she thought about it and she thought some dirty thoughts. Yeah, it was Frank. Yeah. Frank was, she's like, I need me some Frank. I need some Frank and First.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

She made it thirsty.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

Yeah, thirsty. So she's like, I'm in. What's the plan? And she becomes a femme fatale, right? A black widow of sorts. The ugliest one ever. I was just gonna say, I would have been safe. I do could you survive the swimming? Yeah, I'm not going home with her. I'm going home with Julia.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

At least they didn't have the victims be like, you know, Chris Hemsworth looking dudes. Like they were guys that were probably like Right. They were married men. That guy would get with her. Yeah. They were slime balls that probably strike out.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

That being said, I mean, Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction had something to her, but she's not like I disagree with that too. She's not a yeah, she's not stealing your man. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like it's not steal your man kind of stuff. She had like a weird craziness to her or whatever. But my wife listens to this. Like, I don't cheat.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

Don't cheat. Guys, don't cheat. Don't cheat. Or you're gonna wind up dead. If you cheat, cheat up. Not down. But don't cheat. And I don't and I don't cheat. Right. Swear to God. But if you do cheat up, cheat up. Yeah. Like why Michael Douglas was getting with Glenn clothes. I'm like, the fuck is wrong with you? Some self-worth guys. Right. There was nothing attractive.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

Anyway in that movie. So maybe she brings home some kind of married man that's some guys that look like she met in a hotel bar or something. Yeah, pretty much. Hotel bar. She was she was fishing, trolling for some dudes, trolling for some dong. Yeah. Brings them in, brings them into this empty, nasty room again. Like at one point, this room has rats on nails in the corner, right? Did you guys see that? Yeah. Oh yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

Somebody nailed some rats to the wall.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

This, I mean, I'm gonna uh skip over that whole dinner scene because it was stupid, but like they're having this dinner party, and I think that's when Julia's like really thinking about it, really thinking hard about some Frank. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

And that's when she's like, I think I'm gonna leave, go to bed. And like I think Frank's like you know, chilling on the steps, I think Kirsty has a bad dream, so she calls her dad, which right what is she supposed to be like 22, 23, 24, something like that. You're still calling your dad when you have a bad dream, like calls Larry up.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

I mean, it was a pretty disturbing dream, you know. Like that the dream scene was pretty good, I guess. It was the something's laying under the sheet, just gets progressively bloodier, yeah, and it shows Frank or Larry pop up.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

Um the star of the show so far is Frank in this and special effects, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

So right. All right, so let's I guess when did we see her in in the pet store that she worked at where it had a freaking baboon in it? Like, nobody has a baboon as a pet. Gosh.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

Bad idea, guys. Yeah, that's a real bad idea. That's after like our first victim, I think, is the pet store scene.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

Okay, and dude comes in and eats all the bugs, you know.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Yeah, it it doesn't really know why.

SPEAKER_02 40:11

Like they're not have any part in the movie after that?

SPEAKER_00 40:14

Yeah, he shows up at the end.

SPEAKER_01 40:16

He's kind of like a fuck is this guy's a winged skeleton that flies off with the box at the end? Like this guy is like I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Nobody knows. Unknowable, as Charlie likes to say. Yeah. But the first guy she brings home that Julia brings home from happy hour, like he just like they they go upstairs to the bedroom, to to Frank's room, the attic. This isn't a bedroom. It's not a bedroom, there's no bed in there. I like it on the floor. Walks in and she's just kind of like, he's like, What is this? Like, it's dirty, it's grimy, it's gross, it's like, did you lock a door?

SPEAKER_01 40:54

Yeah, yeah. Finds a hammer hanging up.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Yeah, she It's kind of like, Oh, I like to do it on the floor. Oh, and he's just kind of like, Oh, oh, okay. And then first time for everything, or whatever he said.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

But yeah, it was but she she grabs a hammer off the floor and off the wall, yeah. Hits him hits him in the house. Frank starts scurrying over and doesn't want her to see what he's about to do. Right. That's nice of him. He's kind of a we don't want to see this. Right. Would you say chivalry's dead?

SPEAKER_00 41:25

I wouldn't after that in 1987, Hellraiser. Sir, have you looked at your surroundings? Why are you staying in this room? Why'd you walk in this room? Right. Well, okay. The smell in this house has to be a trash.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

Especially Frank. Frank has to reek. Right, right. I'm like, like throughout the entire house. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

So then we that's when we get to the pet store, and I'm also again like, what the fuck is this? Like, when is this guy that puts his hand in a container of bugs and pulls it out, and like 30 bugs are calling his hand, he just starts eating them, and he walks out of the store like nothing's everything's normal. I'm like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 41:58

It feels like something that's like it it's creepy in a book, but maybe didn't translate into a movie kind of thing. Where it's like in this guy.

SPEAKER_02 42:05

I think a lot of this didn't translate.

SPEAKER_01 42:06

Because they were walking along the harbor or whatever, and she saw him staring at her through the door at one point, right? And then sees them at the pet store and then sees them again later. But yeah, that guy, uh yeah, we gotta ask questions about that at the end. Yeah, so my one of my biggest nitpicks on this is maybe maybe speed up the process of him turning into a real boy again, you know. I don't know if we needed how many, how many kills? Like we see three, or do we see a montage kind of? We see a quick we see there's two two and the third one for sure.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

I think he's like, I need Larry, and she's like, I can't do it. So there was three and then Larry. Three and Larry, because she's like, I can't do that to Larry, right? She tries or she thinks about it, she's like, I can't do it. Keeps him from so she brings like another guy home, and that's when Kirsty spots her. Right. Kirsty's seeing her bring a dude in the house.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

Larry's like, I'm I'm drowning here, I don't know what's going on. You need to go pay her a visit. She's not doing well. So goes by, sees her leading somebody to bang him, I guess. Breaks in, plays a little. Yeah, okay. We're gonna start from here. We don't need to go back any further. Let's start from here. She goes up, she sees the latest victim coming out of the room, like half like like a saggy bag of he done got. And so she reaches out to touch him or to help him or whatever, but then I guess there's a struggle with her and Julia. Frank sees, tries to say, It's your Uncle Frank, but he is a blood suit, right? He's completely covered in blood. His skin has not grown in yet. There's a struggle. She picks up the box, he's like, Oh shit, I need that box, put it down. Yep. Right? And then she's like, You want to go get it, toss it out the window, right? And I'm speeding through the shit, but yeah, he's like, No, because he obviously, you know, he d he can't wear a sunscreen. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 43:59

Did you feel like That Uncle Frank had molested her. Oh, I think because he's deadly angling for it. He's like, Oh, you've gotten so big and you're so beautiful. And then he's like, Come to daddy. It's like, dude, that's your niece. It's not your dad. This is Frank, though.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Yeah, I'm like Frank opened a box that tore him apart and he was in it for it. Right.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Frank, Frank is Frank's Frank. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

Wouldn't know. I haven't seen him.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

Oh, Frank. Okay, so so where he's being like not tortured, but like Julia, Frank, and Kirsty are all back for Hellraiser 2. Okay. This one actually takes place in the Hellro Realm, Hellbound, right? So anyway, let's see this movie. So sorry. She runs out, grabs the box, starts running on the street, and just collapses. Just collapses. Yeah, I don't know. Holding onto this box. I'm like, what? So she's in the bed, handcuffed. The doctor comes in, the creepiest doctor comes in, says, Does this jog your memory? You were holding on to this box like a death grip on this box. First of all, there's no way he didn't discover how to open that box. That doctor would have figured it out right away. Yeah. Secondly, I think Mike wants some more bourbon too. He's looking like he's like, I need some more. Thank you, Charlie. I need some uh I need some heroin after this duke.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

I'll drink, I'll drink to what just happened uh off air. Oh, thanks. Justin, you're gonna be a triple, aren't you? Uh just give him the bottle. Leave the bottle.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

Yeah, leave the bottle. You got a straw. Yeah, so that doctor brings in the box. She's like in a gown. I don't know if that's necessary. I think like when somebody just passes out, they just put them somewhere and you know. I don't know. Who knows?

SPEAKER_02 45:55

Never pass out on the street for no reason. Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

She also time traveled back about 30 years to a hospital room from like 1950. Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

That was probably just a Clive thing. He's like, hey, except for the nurse watching the television in the corner. Yeah, she's watching just a video about flowers blooming. You know, people do that. So yeah. She she they the nurse and doctor leave the room, lock her in there. So she is being detained at this situation. I don't know. This is a being detained situation.

SPEAKER_02 46:27

For no reason because she just passed out on the street.

SPEAKER_01 46:29

But she picks up the box and is grinning ear to ear like a child that forgot that she's being detained in a hospital room, and her uncle is kind of alive, but like a meat bag kind of thing. I don't think there's a smile for it.

SPEAKER_02 46:41

Her stepmom's banging randos.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Right. So it was boxed. But she opens the box. She walks down this super long hallway and the wall opens up. The wall opens up, correct. She walks down this super long hallway and this crazy thing with like upside down thing with a stinger at its top. Crazy mouth. Looked like something like if Big Trouble Little China and Labyrinth had a baby, like some kind of thing. But it was it was creepy, I guess. Chased her out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

Well, so when I was watching it, they fucked up because you could see the crew pushing it.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

You could see the the wheels underneath it for a split second and somebody pushing it. In the in the goof, in the like trivia section on IMDb, it says they're clearly visible. I'm like, right. I didn't notice it because I was looking at those big ass. I never noticed it before, but then I I did this time. But yeah, so that that tells us about the budget. No, not a lot of time for reshoots, if you will. I would think. But it was it was pretty cool. This thing chasing her. That thing will come back later in the movie, I think, right? Yep. So she jumps in the room, the wall closes behind her. We're safe. Or are we? We are not. Does she continue to no? I think that's when the other wall with the tiles opens up, right? And then we meet the centibytes. Yeah. Yeah. We meet pinhead. We meet Dickhead. Throat throat throat gina. Throat gina is Mike likes to call her. We had meet the butterball or the fatso one, and we meet chatterbot, chattering teeth. Yep. And he promptly puts his fingers down her throat. Which is disgusting. Come on now. Dirty fingers in the mouth. Makes me want to do some Listerine right after.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

And then you get kind of the explanation of you get an explanation.

SPEAKER_01 48:29

You open the box.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

You opened it.

SPEAKER_00 48:33

We came. Yeah. Okay. Go on.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

Alright. She's like, it's just a puzzle box. And leave me alone. Go to hell. We can't. Essentially, without taking you with us. I guess there's rules. Like if you're going up, you're opening the door, you're bringing one back. Right. You know? That's fine. She's like, wait, do you know Frank? Right. Do you know Frank? You know Frank? And they're like, We know Frank. We were so we were so we showed him such pleasures or showed him something. Like, you know, he's great. This is a famous line where she's he says, some view us as angels, some view us as devils, we're explorers of pleasure. Yeah. A lot of, you know, to each each person, we have a different connotation or a different appearance. Like some are looking forward to us, some are dreading us, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:20

So 99.9% of people, these are demons. At the end of the day, I think a hundred percent. I mean, right. Where's the good part, guys? Right. Where's the person that's like, you know, progina? Let me come over here and take a good look at you.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

So she put it together. She's like, oh, so that's why he's like this this gooey meat suit walking around because he escaped. You guys, that makes sense. Perfect sense. Yeah. So she m she strikes a deal. But they're like, maybe. Yeah. Maybe he says, Yeah, I accept your deal, but if you betray us, we'll rip your soul apart. Isn't that what they were gonna do anyway?

SPEAKER_02 49:58

Yeah. Or is that not?

SPEAKER_01 50:00

I mean, I guess the second one goes a little more into the lore. Maybe you'd hang out there and your soul's intact. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Who knows? I know. Yeah. I know they tear souls apart.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

That's what they do.

SPEAKER_01 50:11

So basically, this turns into a a hidden wire kind of movie at this point. You gotta get him to confess. Right. On wire, on you know, we have to hear from his mouth. She goes back to the house, Julia's there. I need to see my father. You know, okay, whatever. Fun thing they didn't do with Larry is show Larry get killed by Frank. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:33

That was that was goes up and at first I'm like, they missed it. Sliding off his head. Sliding off his head. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

Yeah, no, it's like this is this is not your dad, but that's fine. There was a struggle. Frank or Frank Larry says there was a struggle. I had to put him down. Yeah. Like a dog or something. He said some shit. He's like, what he did was unspeakable. So Larry.

SPEAKER_00 50:59

Frank has basically become Larry.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

Frank is Larry. Isn't that a movie? I now pronounce you Frank and Larry. Chuck and Larry. Oh, okay. Same thing, right? He wants. Same thing. Less demons. Right. So there's a chase. There's a little bit of a cat and mouse, right? There's a chase. Yeah. At one point, Julia's got her or got Kirsty held. Frank's like, I'm going to kill. You know, I wanted to bang you, but I'll kill you instead, basically. And then she died.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

Personal. Classic.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

Kirsty rolls out of the way and ugh.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

Classic tag team wrestling reversal. Julie gets it. Tag teams to split apart, man. Gets it in the gut. Here, I'm going to hold them. You whack them with the chair and then they duck out, and you actually hit your partner with the chair, and then they fucking split up. Classic.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

Name your favorite example of that, Mike.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

Oh, there's so many I can name. So many. Because we can jump in the corner.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

Stone cold. Anyway. So yeah. He's like, nothing personal. I think he said that, right? Yeah. And I think it's one of those. Putting out a theory here, I think once the start the bleeding started, he could suck some more of that out of her. So he's just like, I'll let her ride. You know, I'm just gonna get stronger off of my side piece here. Right? Because he still has Kirsty. Yeah. So anyway, goes ends up in the attic. If I miss something, let me know. But I think he ends up in the attic, she trips over her dad again. They have some dialogue, and basically he says, you know, Larry was always a loser. I killed Larry. And that's when it's like, haha, I got you on candid camera, mother effort. Yep. You there's a mouthful of maggots somewhere. Mouth oh, there was when she first hid in the other room, not the right door, but the left room. And that was what I was gonna say. It was probably the only jump scare, if you will, was like that guy falling over and the maggots coming out of his mouth.

SPEAKER_00 52:54

But yeah, then this is where Frank gets hooked once they hear this is where he says.

SPEAKER_01 52:59

Yep. He's like, You set me up, you bitch. I'm like, Yeah, well, oh, you were gonna kill her, you know?

unknown 53:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 53:07

But then but then he delivers a line that had me going, huh?

SPEAKER_01 53:11

I I think there's something to it. I I wish I looked into the why he said it, but basically the the hooks started coming out. He grabbed his hands, grabbed his face, grabbed everything, and she's about to leave, and it's obvious that he's going to explode. Yes. And he looks at her and says, Jesus wept and like smiles as he explains. It doesn't make sense, but I think it's supposed to play into like a blasphemy type situation, and maybe the smile is saying, Hey, he's actually enjoying this, but you know, it's over. Kind of thing. Who knows? I'm sure there's a better explanation, and I apologize for not uh getting that. But then we're at the almost at the end. Then we go, was this a different set? Because, like, where was the house? Was the house did it explode and these were pieces of the house, or was this just like firepiles outside the house?

SPEAKER_00 54:04

This is just a run-down part of town.

SPEAKER_01 54:06

Right. Is this under the railroad? We don't try.

SPEAKER_00 54:10

Barbarian, exactly. And like the boyfriend shows up at the house for unknown reasons. To save the day. But no, he wasn't there to he didn't know any of this was going on. Oh, you're right. But look, he didn't have the door and is like, hey, I guess he was showing up and be like, hey, isn't it? Oh, I guess he explodes.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

We find out that the Cenobites were not true to their word, they decided they were.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

Well, they only said maybe. But one of the the two lines that I remember was that stupid Jesus wept. Yeah. And we have such pinhead saying we have such sights to show you.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

Yeah, it's a good line. I have that's what I had uh Doug Bradley write on the picture that he signed for me. Nice. Bradley is a quiet gentleman. He's not a not a big conversationalist. I don't know if you got that from him.

SPEAKER_02 54:57

Yeah, I I felt like he was talking to hunting out with his cash and checks. Yeah, he's just cashing checks.

SPEAKER_01 55:03

But yeah, he she escapes. She somehow knows exactly how to send each centibyte back into hell or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 55:13

Right, boop, they gone. Yeah. So with some neon lights around them. Right. Yeah, I mean horrible special effects. This is the 80s. This is all this is where they ran out of money. Right. This is the part they ran out of money. Same effects. We need the special effects guy from the uh that did the neon stuff in the money for nothing video. Right.

SPEAKER_01 55:35

We can't get him. We'll get his brother.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

But yeah, puts them all back, sees the box laying on the ground, decides to try to burn it, and then the homeless man that eats the crickets comes up and gets it, transforms into a dragon, a bone dragon, if you will, flies off with the box, and then the box is back in Morocco with its original salesperson selling it to someone else. The end, right? The end. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 56:03

What a ride.

SPEAKER_01 56:05

What a ride. What a ride. This is, you could say, almost as exciting as watching my team losing the Marshmadness. The totally non-erotic ride it was. What a claims to be erotic, but wasn't. But isn't really creepy, but not so much for the effect that Frank had on Julia, you would have thought he was doing some stuff. Like turned her out. Turned her out what he did. Maybe like some he was given the rim jobs or something. I don't know what he was doing. He was finger popping assholes and shit. I don't know. Finger popping the ASO. 21 jumpshire. 21 jumpshire. Yeah. So, alright, guys. As I mentioned, my original review of it went down to a seven. Any other nitpicks that we need to do on this one?

SPEAKER_02 56:57

I mean, you wanted to cover the board. Didn't you want to go more in depth into the total unattractiveness of the necessarily believable, but like I guess she's bringing losers back to the house.

SPEAKER_01 57:12

Like it's not like she's bringing winners. Mike did mention it's no crimson Chris Hemsworth or Brad Pitts coming back. No. Right?

SPEAKER_00 57:21

Yeah. Not even a Paul Shearer. Paul Shearer. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 57:28

The house. We covered the house and how disgusting that was. I was gonna save that till now. The dinner party.

SPEAKER_00 57:33

Like, why are you having a dinner party in this fucking dumb? Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 57:37

You live here? Right. I know we skipped over that. Like Kirsty because it was a dumb scene, yeah. Kirsty gets wasted and like Yeah, her boyfriend is like pouring her drink.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

Was that her boyfriend? She meet him at the party.

SPEAKER_01 57:49

It's her boyfriend. It seemed like she said, didn't it?

SPEAKER_02 57:52

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 57:54

He was doing the cigarette trick, which made me gag. I'm like, ugh. Right. Uh uh.

SPEAKER_00 57:58

And then he's like pouring her a drink. She's like, no, one more and I won't be able to stand up. And he's like, Well, how about you lay down then? Oh, and dad was just like how does your dad not reach over and knock your teeth out?

SPEAKER_01 58:09

How do you how do you not like just go outside, nerd? This guy, he was like a Chandler Bang character, like some of the shirts he was wearing on this.

SPEAKER_02 58:17

Oh man, the 80s were just so we thought we were so cool in the 80s, and the 60s were horrible fashion, and then goddamn, you look back.

SPEAKER_01 58:27

Another nitpick here. Yeah. When did Julia get the box that Kirstie had to rip from her hands? And then how did she get to bed? She was like dead. She was in the bed all uh chain fish. Tied up, chained up. Yeah. So you're saying the centibytes came in that box down? I'm saying like maybe she opened it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

That's why this isn't a 10 or a or a seven or a six.

SPEAKER_02 58:51

The last thing we we left her stabbed on the stairwell. Right. Yeah. And like Gray. She didn't open the box. No. No. Fucked up her dead body, I guess. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

Who who sold the box to Frank in the beginning? Is that something that's revealed in the sequel? I don't think so. Like why why they don't really explain like why Frank had to have this.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

Why he was paying the money to do. In the sequels explain, like so in emergency. There's a goal. Yeah, yeah. Kind of like if you're out of what it was going to do, you have no uh you can't give you a kind of pleasure in this life because you've done everything like Frank finger popping assholes.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

Ran out of all your boners from normal stuff. Go and find this. So so yes, they do. There's a scene with with him and Julia where they just got done banging and he's like, it's never enough. And I think that's the only indication we get that he's this thrill seeker that he's like he needs to put nails in his dick while he's banging somebody to you know get off or something, whatever he's doing.

SPEAKER_02 59:51

He's banging a concrete wall. He's sticking it in trees.

SPEAKER_01 59:55

He's done everything at this point. Tried everything, right?

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Why is he cutting was it him or or Larry that cut the rat open? It was him when he was behind Larry. Yeah. Larry was trying to get a closet.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:07

Larry was trying to get something.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:08

Like Larry the cuck is what this one's cut.

unknown 1:00:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:11

In front of everybody.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

Because they wanted to do it. I don't know. It made no sense. My thought is Frank was a little jealous of Larry and his full skin and got to use his own penis. If you do this, cut him open. He was basically threatening Julia that I'm gonna cut him open. Yeah, it was just another. Sometimes I think we've gone through this with like Nightmare on Elm Street, where it's like, let's think of something gross we can throw in here. Like you cut his finger off and green stuff comes out. It's very like or cut his chest open and maggots come out. Like it's very like, uh, let's see how we can scare you. But nowadays they're better at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:46

He comes off as like film school. Right, right, right. I'm a special effects guy and I've worked on this thing where I cut this rat open and the rat is furry, but it then is juicy inside. Let's use the movie. Clyde Barker's like, fuck it, I don't care, let's just do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:00

Alright, guys. Let's let's jump around to some of our categories here.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

All right, all right.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

Let's start with I'm gonna try to redemption is what I'm trying for here. Redemption. Gore score, guys. What is the gore score on this one? I'm gonna give it a nine. It's nice and gooey. There's explosions, there's yeah, there's just puddles of guts. I mean the fish hooks in the skin. Fish hooks in the skin looks fake. It does look a little fake, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:27

Hammer is still effective. Blows to the head with a claw hammer is fucking effective.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

Just a lot of horror crawling around all over the place.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:34

Punches to exposed guts, yeah, because Kirsty had to punch some guts. They were there was a longer version of that scene they had to cut where it was a close-up of her hand, like gooing into it real good.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:45

Cutting the rat open for no reason. It's still rats on rats on nails, Frank, you know, people exploding. Him building his body back up. Yeah, Frank just as like having no skin and just the makeup being all glossy of like muscle that's glossy and wet, and yeah, like just like the red head where it's muscles and no skin. It's like that's fucking it was good fucking makeup and gross. It looked way better than Martyr's skinned body flaying, that's for sure. Which was you can tell that was just like a suit someone was in, not the thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

Martyr's was what 2000 eight. So I mean, this was what 20 yeah, yeah. A lot of years later. So I got the gore. A lot of gore.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:29

There's some guts, even if you don't get enough centibytes in this one.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:33

What are some, I don't know if I asked you guys to think about this, but what are some other movies like this that you would like pair with this? I've got one in my head that's I'm probably gonna make one of my next couple movies, but uh go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:43

I don't know. I don't know you didn't prepare.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:46

So I was kind of thinking like Event Horizon kind of like feels like that. Like yeah, there's like yeah, torture and hell and things like that in there. But uh if you ask IMDB, it tells you the others, the other nine. Oh, is it Hellraiser one, Hellraiser 2? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:02

IMDb's lazy as fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:04

And maybe it says Candyman on there because, like you said, they're lazy. They're like, oh, you either want Clyde Barker or the other movies in this series. Right. All right. Do we have a dumbest character?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:17

I think it's anybody that came back to the house with Julia.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:21

With Julia and like sees the and sees the nasty ass room is like still down to clown, right? Yeah. Well, Julie's pretty fucking down too. Julia's pretty dumbest.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

I mean, she doesn't get caught.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:32

Is she okay? Some of the stuff I was reading, would we say she would be she needs to move into this fucking house? Uh she would be the which villain number would you give her on this? Would you say Frank's number one, Julia's number one, Pinhead's number one? I wouldn't put Pinhead as number one. I would say Frank is number one. Frank is number one, and Julia.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:52

Julia's probably too below the cinnabites.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

I mean, I think she's like she's complicit in like the whole like bringing Frank to life and she's but she's just a minion. Okay. Okay. Alright. Do you think I I know, okay. We've talked about the will we survive these. Knowing me, I like a good puzzle box. I like a good puzzle. I'm trying to open that thing and I'm dying. So sorry to my loved ones, I guess. But if I see you put a puzzle box down, I'm opening like a puzzle box. You start fucking. We like games. If I get the box, you're dead. Right. There's no getting away. Uh maybe I'd like as it started open real easy, I'd be like, this is a baby game.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:33

I'd survive getting taken back for Frank.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

And like, I don't care who what your name is. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:39

But if I was the doctor checking on Kirsty and I had the box, I'm like, eh, what's the box? I've got a minute to spare while she's unconscious. Oh, the dumbest character easy is what's the daughter's name?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:50

Kirsty? Kirsty. She's fucking playing with that box in that hospital bed.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:53

Like it was a she knew she knew it was a Christmas dildo or something. I mean, she was going mad. Happy, happy. You know what? My counter to that is how do you get out of it? Like, cause dad's dead regardless of you playing with the box. The only way for her to it was stupid, but it was the right move because it wasn't gonna work. Spoiler alert, she ends up back in uh the Cinnabides home in part two. So I don't know if it worked as but well as we think it did.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:24

But I d I don't know. Of all the characters, Kirsty's the only semi-likable one. Larry's not bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:32

Larry's not bad. He's trying to get some and he was a nice husband. I hated everybody. All right, who most brutal death.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:45

Yeah, just pull apart. Yeah, double exploded, man. That's gotta be the best kill. Yeah. Because the other ones are just a hammer to the head, which is good, right, effective. But but but a little you're not getting exploded. Your guts aren't laying all over the floor.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

Do you think anybody opening the box is fair game to the Centibytes? Or do you think it should have been like you're actually asking something from us? Right?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:13

She wanted nothing other than I don't even fucking know why she opened the box, but she did. She wasn't like going after anything. She just opened the box and it came for her.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

Alright. Is I can't remember. Did we put Pinhead on our first Mount Rush Court? No. Or our first Hall of Fame. We did not. For Immortal.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:33

He needs to be in there though.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:36

I'm going to go ahead and Immortal is Chucky, Freddie, Michael, Jason.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:42

Okay. I'm going to put him on this next list as far as my vote for he deserves to be on the Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:48

I got I'm when we when are we going to redo that? Whenever we do our next class, I got someone who's going to do real.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:55

We're going to do it real soon. Spoiler alert. At least the first half of the year, because we're about to hit our six month anniversary on this show. So yeah. We're going to have at least a narrow down what we've done so far to a short list.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:10

Yeah. I think there's people who I think we touched on this. There's people who have never seen the movies, but they know exactly who this is. Yeah. What he looks like. And he did. There's like nine sequels to this, right? So I think Pinhead is a reboot. Pinhead's a Hall of Fame character in my book. Yeah, for sure. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:28

Pinhead is you knew who he was and you hadn't seen the movie. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:32

I'd say the protagonist, no. I'm gonna go know what the protagonist for sure. But let's talk about props. The box has to be in it. The box is is is the box not already Hall of Fame propped? Wasn't the Hall of Frame headmask?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:46

We had it was I remember the short list. It was on the short list. And you were trying to get it in real hard.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:51

Was I butt hurt about it? No. Props wore Freddie's glove, Jason's hockey mask, Michael Myers mask, and the Necronicon. Yeah. Not the Necro Comic Con, as I said it like five times before someone. I feel like this one fits.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:07

The dead comic book convention.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:09

This one makes it. Oh yeah. It's gonna be in. Alright, so what?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:16

What other what am I missing? Um let's see. We got Horror Hall of Fame, killer, pinhead, yes. Director Clyde Barker, no. None of the none of the protagonists, no, not Kirsty. The box and pin, like the pinhead mask or pinhead's head. I'm just gonna keep pinhead. Like he's it, it's part of him. Okay, yeah, and then the box. Because it's not really a mask, it is him. Yeah, like Michael Myers is wearing a mask, Jason's wearing a mask. Yeah, so those are props. Fucking him. The the nails just just a just a handful of nails.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:45

Like turning into Raymond. Just the just the box. 75 nails. 75 nails. Turn into Rayman, isn't it? How about the mattress?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:52

Oh no. Yeah, how about what the you mean? One of those rat the rat that they cut.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:57

Oh yeah, yeah. How about the rat on the wall with the nail? Nah. I don't think so. How about the handful of bugs that the guy eats?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:04

Yeah, how about that?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:05

The monster on the shopping cart. Yeah. How about that? Let's see. Body count? Oh, body count. Five, six, seven. Well, yeah. So we have Frank, Julia, and Larry. They all get it. We've got three that she brought back that we know of. I don't know if the one in the office that had the maggots in his mouth was a different one.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:25

I think it was one of the bodies she put over there and hid.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:28

So there we got seven, right? Yep. There's seven. Okay. I guess eight because I think I'm like, I think there's six or seven, but maybe I'm missing one. So Frank twice. Yeah. They count. That's why I do that. This is according to the dead meat. Frank torn apart by chains. Frank torn apart by chains and hooks again. And then there is briefs man, the first victim, bashed in the head with a hammer. Tank top man, hammered with a forehead, glasses man, sucked dry by Frank. And then Larry killed by Frank and Julie the other. And then Julia stabbed and sucked dry by Frank. Once again, like a golf off through a garden hose. Frank was sucking. They did not count the centibytes which were flushed back into hell. They're not killable. So seven.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:19

Seven is the uh actually one of them the fat one with the sunglasses, the goggles was just like smashed by like the door wedge or whatever. It never got sent back. Yeah. Could you escape this?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:31

No, I don't know. Where did the victims go wrong?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:34

Yeah, it depends who I am. If I've seen the box, no. If I've seen it, I'm like, I need to try that. Where did the victims go wrong?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:40

They found Julia attractive for some fucking reason. Well, okay. It's attractive at the Also they weren't alarmed by the scary ass room she brings them into.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:49

I think it's like third drink over a lunch break attractive, right? That's what it was. It's like these are the the third martini at lunch. They're like, uh, alright.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:03

They went through over there. Did anybody think when she was, I think brings the third guy home when Kirsty spots her? That when she was looking back out of the doorway to make sure nobody saw that she was gonna see Kirsty. I kind of did. Like the first time I saw this, I was like thought she was gonna spot Kirsty spying on her because she's hiding behind a tree like 20 feet away. Right. Not like not like she's you know with binoculars on top of a hill, right? Like a mile away. She's like just there. Yep. And she doesn't spot her, even though she's like looking to make sure nobody saw her bring this dude in the house. Uh another nitpick, I guess. Yeah. All the nits are picked on this one. How about uh some fun facts? I looked up when we hit a couple of things. Yeah, I'd love to.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:45

I mean, are we gonna bring mention that we can see the boom mic in one of the scenes?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:50

I didn't go over all the goofs, it's probably too long a list. Doug Bradley, who plays the lead Cenobite, described hell as a prison, the cenobites are prison guards, pinhead is the prison warden, the puzzle box is the key to the prison cell, and the demons are the escaped inmates. Yeah, they never explained any of that shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:11

I yeah, I don't think they yeah, they they focused more on like just how demented Frank was, right? Like it was more of an add-on, right? The Cenobites were just like the US Marshals coming to get them or something, basically.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:26

They had to cut out additional to get an R rating, they had to cut out additional hammer blows, fingers entering flesh, and mouths, additional thrusts during the sex scene. You're right, you can have two thrusts, and I was there was SNM spanking during the sex scene, which they cut out. They had to cut that out to achieve an R rating. They also, censors or whoever, MPAA, insisted on seeing the mechanical rat used for the scene where they skin the rat where they kill it to ensure that it wasn't a real rat. I don't believe you. It's PETA like show me you're not killing a rat. Yeah. Hey, we need to see that mechanical rat. Can you make a mechanical rat real quick? Yeah, we'll be over in like uh three days. That will be right there. Yeah, we got it. It's right over in the other. Oh, we left it in Canada. You went nowhere. Let me smell it. Uh this film was filmed in a real house that they got for cheap based budget because someone committed suicide in the garage. So that's why they got this house for super cheap to film.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:30

Are you sure they didn't do it in the attic where we saw like the drill?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:33

I mean, and then later there was another suicide in the garage after Clive Barker read Roger Ebert's review of this movie. No, just I think he gave it a half star. I feel like that attic room was actually a uh set. Ebert gave this a half star and destroyed it. And I don't think he understood maybe the plot. We didn't really either, it sounds like, but I think he really misunderstood the plot when in his review. But but still, like, yeah, really, really scathing, scathing, scathing review. And then I mentioned that Clive Barker doesn't like the name pinhead. I'm like, dude, it's fucking pinhead.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:09

If they're talking about your shit, just be happy, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:12

Apparently, the lead centibyte is called the Hell Priest, which, if you want him called the Hell Priest, then maybe like, I am the Hell Priest, and you open the box, and here we are. Right. But you don't, you don't grow him anything. So then everybody just thought, oh, that's fucking that guy with the pins in his head. Let's just call him Pinhead. Yeah, which they don't say until part three, apparently. Someone finally uses the term pinhead. But yeah, if you don't like it, tell us who the fuck he is. He's credited as the lead centibyte. Like they only use the word cenobite, I think, once in this movie, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:42

Yeah, yeah. Frank mentioned says centibytes once, and I think Julia might say they'll never find us, the centibytes will never find us, or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:50

Every time I hear Cinebyte, I think Cinnabon. Cinnabite like bites, bite-sized cinnamon rolls. So cinnabites should be something they should have on their menu.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:59

So Mike was having two dozen centibytes.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:03

Mike was getting real uh that's like super, super, super cool. Mike was getting hungry because he's like, mm, Cinnabon. Yeah. No, Cinnabon should definitely have like by centibytes by the dozen. Cease and desist later. And you gotta eat them with a pin. Oh. With a hook. They're on hooks. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's I think all I got until we get to our final thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:30

Couple couple quick rapid fire questions for you guys here. You find the box in your house. What's your next move? I've already answered this one.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:39

I mean, I'm gonna be curious. I'm gonna be super curious. Like, what is this box? And maybe I open it by accident. It doesn't look hard to open. Like, I'd be like, what is this material? And like rub the circle and then it opens up. Right. Oops. Oops. Doesn't look hard to close though either.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:56

Like once it's in its final configuration, it looks like it's hard to get back.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:02

Apparently, like it cost a little bit of the budget to make those boxes. So like there's scenes where like assistant producers and stuff are laying on the ground in case the box falls because like they don't want it to break open and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:18

Didn't in the reboot wasn't the box didn't have like fangs or like nails that came out. Yeah, you spun it. Or like if you weren't the one that's supposed to open it, like it stabs you or something. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:29

I like the reboot a lot more than I did after watching this again. I'm like, okay, the reboot isn't that bad. Yeah. All right. Do the centibytes scare you more than slashers? Or not enough because they didn't use them enough in this movie? Hell yeah. I mean, I yeah, I think they're kind of scary.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:48

Yeah, they don't scare me more than like going camping and thinking there's a big dummy and a hockey mask out there just slicing up campers. King counselors. I mean, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:00

Here's here's a question that the old internet told me to ask. Are the cinnabites a metaphor for addiction consequences? No. I don't I don't go in for metaphors or allegory.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:12

Yeah, some of the metaphors, like I said, there's a metaphor for the AIDS epidemic. I'm like, is it? It doesn't matter to me. It doesn't matter to me. I don't care. Because the hooks went into them and they never cleaned them and they went into other people. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:25

Stop with all that. They got the hepatitis.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:28

This is a movie about somebody that inherited a house, inherited a house from her, you know, brother-in-law, and she still got feelings for her brother-in-law that she fucked around with while she was married to her guy. Accidentally comes back from hell. It comes back to honor.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:48

Boom. And there's centibites. Don't cheat. And there's cabines. That's the moral. So who is all right? So what's our final grade for the movie, guys? I'm I said I'd drop mine down to a seven. I know you guys are probably a little below that. So it's better than martyrs. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:06

Come on. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:09

That's all I asked.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:10

I'd say Martyrs is smarter, but this is I'd watch this one again before Martyrs for sure, right? Yeah. And that really is what it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:19

This house sucks. Oh, that's the worst I think. The editing is nonsensical and is terrible. There's no likable characters except for Kirsten. There's no character development. I I don't understand a lot of the choices that were made. Because the makeup and the gore and the makeup effects are so so so good. I gave it three out of ten. Oh. I'd have been like a one if like Frank wasn't so well done as a character. I'd have been a one. Because there's not enough, there's not enough pinhead. Yeah. There's not enough sex to be like, this is a sexual enjoyment. Oh whoa, man. There's not enough jump scares. Like there's not enough. Oh, it's pleasure versus pain. There's no pleasure in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:07

Like it's just not there. There should be some kind of like like they're walking. Maybe they're like your tour guides through your pleasure and pain kind of thing. But if you push them too far, you just kill yourself, kind of thing. Who knows? But yeah, there's right now there's no pleasure exposed here. So Charlie, what was your grade for it?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:27

Whatever I gave martyrs, I'll give it half a point more. Martyrs plus half.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:32

So a nine and a half? Yeah, that's nine and half. You can't give it a ten and a half, Charlie. Sorry. Yeah. So I want to I want to vent about one more thing. Vent about whatever you want. I I was curious if my hatred for this movie, and that's not even a that's even a strong word. I don't hate it. I did like certain aspects of it. But I didn't know if I was just like missing something. So I went on Reddit. Oh no. And and you know, Reddit's where you find the truth from tellers, right? Earth is flat. No, that's that's that's all like it is. Epstein's still alive. That's other places. So and I don't read that stuff. You you you just you know it you can go on Reddit and follow what you want, and you don't get all the other bullshit. It's not like Facebook or Twitter where they're gonna flood you with all this nonsense you don't want to see. You go on Reddit, you follow a few threads, and you'll see exactly what you want. So I went on like the horror Reddit thread, right? And I just asked a question, asked a question to the to the people. I was like, is Hellraiser underrated, overrated, or popular? Or properly rated? So you were leading this discussion. I got you. No, no, I I went to start a thread to just see what other people thought. Okay, is it is Hellraiser overrated, underrated, properly rated? Discuss. And like, you know, want to see what people thought. I gave my thoughts, which is what I just kind of explained here, that it was not enough jump scares to be horror, was not sexually charged enough to even be a thriller, and gave it a three out of ten. I love the makeup, right? And so that's and then I go back later to check what people said, and the mods took down the thread because they're like, You used the word underrated. You need to make sure that you go in the searches, the search bar, and this happens a lot on Reddit, is and people will like go on there and be like, Hey, tell me a movie I should watch, a scary movie I should watch, or something. People are like, just go in the search bar and you can find like whatever. And that's bullshit because I went in the search bar and I typed in like Hellraiser overrated, and like nothing came up with those two words on it. There was opinions on Hellraiser, but they were all more than two or three years old. The newest post was 10 months ago. I did the same thing to Hellra Hellraiser underrated, and like the same thing, all the posts were over two years old. Nothing nobody specifically said, Hey, I think Hellraiser's underrated, and here's why. And like, nobody, there was no thread about this. But fucking, if you're a fucking Reddit mod, if that's your fucking job, then go fuck yourself, you fucking virgin. Nerd, nerd, touch some fucking grass. Wow. If that's your full-time job as being a mod on a Reddit thread, fuck off.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:24

Mike has had some hot takes and rants on this before, but that is scalding. Scalding. Piping hot, right? You hate, but he kept it in all the way to the end.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:38

They're like, make sure you search for what you're looking for because someone's probably already asked that question before. No, they fucking haven't Reddit mods. I mean, bar slash horror moderators. Go fuck off. That's weird. And so what if they've asked the question before?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:54

You can ask what ask the question again.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:56

Yeah, you got you let people on that thread be like, recommend me a horror movie to watch tonight. Here's this, what I'm into, and then like people will respond. Hundreds of people will respond, like, you should try this, you should try this, you should watch this, and they let that shit fly. I'm asking a specific question Is Hell Raider under Hellraiser underrated or overrated? They're like, ah, don't eat. You should check the search first. Other people probably asked that already. Fuck you. Fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:21

Do another question/hor why are Reddit moderators the worst people on the planet, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:29

Wow. No, that's good. I'm glad we got that out.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:33

Making me cough.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:36

He's gonna get in trouble with Mary.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:38

Whose turn is it to pick the next movie? Um well, it is my turn, however, depending on how things go, our next film is either gonna be an all-hands pick, and we're gonna have a special guest on for that, or it will be my pick. And so I'm gonna withhold it just like you did last week, Justin. I'll withhold it till we do our uh Thursday episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:02

What is our mini this week?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:04

I think it's gonna be. We haven't talked about it yet, but I was hoping to talk about it with you guys after we record. Uh thoughts on Reddit mods? Yeah, yeah. We're gonna do three hours. It's gonna be a maxi episode. No, it's I think we're gonna we should look over our horror hall of fame from the first six months of films we've covered and create a short list and send that out to you know, talk about that. Talk about maybe not induct them yet, but like a list just from the movies we watched, but just other stuff that's come up too, man. Well, that's kind of how so our horror hall of fame. If you're new to this podcast, we did a horror hall of fame around the time we started this podcast where we have Hall of Fame directors, male and female protagonists, immortal and mortal villains, and props. And then we decided so every one of these episodes we have a hey, is this director hall of fame worthy? Is are these protagonists, are these props, like what should be talked about? And sometimes it's an easy, like, no, it's the first movie they made, no, or sometimes it's an easy like no, like you know, there's no protagonist in Hellraiser worth talking about. Clyde Barker, easy no, right? So there's other ones that we've been like, yeah, they're close, like we should talk about them a little bit more. So this episode I think we should do coming up will be the short list where we talk a little bit more about the movies we've covered and whether or not come October when we do our horror hall of fame inductees, talk about who we can keep on our short list leading up to October and who we can just like boot out. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:43

Yeah, maybe we can uh flesh it all out. We can talk about how long they can stay on the shortlist before we have to purge them off there, like like MLB.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:52

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:52

How many years is it on MLB?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:54

Like tens? Yeah, it's it depends on the percentage of vote they get. Like if you don't get five percent, then you're out or something, or 15%, you don't stay on the ballot. So I don't know. We don't like I don't want to be the gatekeepers. Fangoria has a hall of fame. He doesn't want to be the Reddit mod. Yeah, I'm not a red. I'm I don't want to be that guy, but I think we can definitely use our use our smarts, use our brains to be like and and even like if we keep someone on the short list, they can get in later. If we take someone off right now and event in three or four years down the road and doing this pod, they've done four or five more bangers of a movie, then it's like, hey, you know that guy we didn't put on our hall of fame. I think they should get in now. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:33

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:34

So I think that's what we should do. That that'll be our next episode, is probably talking about you know, our short list for who we're gonna talk about. Come on. Just give them something to talk about. Or all guts so gory or go by something. Yeah. So we're on that episode. I'll we'll uh release what that our next movie's gonna be. It'll either be an all-hands pick or a my pick. Okay, and we'll have such sites to show you. Jesus wept.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:04

Jesus wept. Wet squelching. As always, we want to thank you for listening to this. Sorry if there was a little bit of a down attitude. It was one of those you you don't go back and watch some movies that live strongly in your memory. I think that's that's I was so excited to pick this one, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:23

Yeah, if you listen to some other episodes, Justin, you're like, dude, Hellraiser's so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:27

Hellraiser, yeah. No, for real. For real, in my mind, I'm like, Hellraiser needs to be on here and it rocks. And I'm like, it's like you know, being told that your your teacher doesn't know everything, your favorite teacher was just one page ahead of you and the uh curriculum, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:43

So and there was a time in my life was illegal. There was a to you. There was a time in my life that Ace Ventura was my favorite movie ever made, and no one was gonna change my mind. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:54

So, yeah, 10 year old meanings change. I'm gonna go back to 10 year old mean, pat him on the back and be Like, hey man, it's it's uh it'll get okay. Enjoy it while you can, don't re-watch it, don't put it on a podcast. You you'll have to you'll have to like to hope save face, you're gonna have to give it a seven, even though in your heart you're like thinking more like six or five. But but my official answer is seven, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:17

Okay, when we build our website, this is a Justin Pick, and this is gonna be on your shelf.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:22

Yep. And hey, some people are gonna be down for it. Some be I mean, okay. At the end of the day, I'm being a little harsh because iconic villain, nine nine sequels, great gore, you know, cool stuff. The box is cool as shit, too. So take that. Okay, now it's back up to an eight. Yeah. Charlie's dying over here. I know, but yeah, thanks, thanks for listening, especially the guy in Morocco that probably knows the guy that sells that. It might be that guy. It might be that guy. We're gonna get some friend requests from it, it just says box guy. Box guy. And yeah, as always, like if you have listened to one or two of these, make sure to follow it so you don't miss any of them. They're free for now. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, come us into Patreon. Come to Patreon. No, I mean, let us know if we should, because that uh that uh is great. Let us know if we should start a OnlyFoot. We pay maybe we pay you. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:16

Who knows?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:18

No, Mike, take us the rest of the way out. All right, well, thank you for listening to All Guts So Gory. If you like what we do here, best thing you can do is rate and review wherever you get your podcast. If you listen to us on Spotify, please make sure you do follow us specifically. You don't want to miss your favorite horror movies being broken down. If your favorite horror movie is Hellraiser, then that's awesome. And I'm glad you found this episode. And sorry if we shit on it too much for you. Yeah, but hey, you can send us some fan mail in the links to the show in the show notes and tell us why we're wrong, and we'll talk about that. Just make sure you plug this episode because people have sent us fan mail, and we, if it's not specific, we don't know exactly what episode it's for. Anywho, yeah, make sure you follow us, follow us on Instagram at all guts so gorypod. Our mini episode coming up this week. We're gonna, I think, break down our horror hall of fame shortlist from the first six months of our podcast. We're coming up on our six-month anniversary of this pod. This was the 30th movie that we've covered in our 47th episode in total. So we're coming up on episode 50, 30 movies, pretty big milestone. Cheers, fellas. Thank you all so much. Thank you, Yukon. Thank you, son of a bitch. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you, Justin. I'm Mike. This is all over.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:44

Andy, Yukon, take us in the end, friends.