Carrie (1976) Brian De Palma's Horror Classic | Mike's Picks

Plug it up! Plug it up! Plug it up! A little high school horror, a little psychological terror, a religious through line, and Brian De Palma's master touch, gives us. Carrie! We heard if your friends find out you don't listen to this pod, they're all gonna laugh at you. Carrie. Directed by Brian De Palma. Starring Sissy Spacek, Piper Laurie, and John Travolta. 

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Coming up next. Say it with me, guys. Plug it up. Plug it up. Plug it up. Plug it up. Plug it up. Plug it up.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Somebody help me.

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All guts so gory presents Carrie.

SPEAKER_05 0:18

It's the night of the senior prom. Everybody is there, even Carrie White. The girl no one likes. And everyone makes fun of. The girl who lives in that creepy house with her cruel mother. The girl with a strange power. But tonight, no one will laugh at Kelly. She'll be voted Queen of the Prong. For Carrie, it will be a dream come true. For anyone else, it will be a nightmare. Carrie, you filmed by Brian DePar, starring Sissy Spacey, Piper Lloyd, and John Travolta in his first motion picture role. If you have a taste with Terry, you have a date with Terry. I'm just gonna pass you away.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

This year marks the 50th anniversary of Brian De Palma's classic Carrie, based on Stephen King's very first novel. Did you know that, Justin? I did know that. A Stephen King head yourself probably did know that. I didn't know this.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

I'm Mike, joined as always by Charlie and Justin. Welcome, guys. Carrie, what do you think?

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Carrie was very good. Not trying to rhyme with Carrie and Barry, but it was great when it came out. I think obviously there's been advancements since then, but I prefer this more than any iteration they've tried to come up with since that. So it's a I think Sissy SpaceX is irreplaceable in the uh role, and then obviously her mother and the cast that they got was just perfect for this.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Liked it. And it's Brian freaking De Palma.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Exactly. Let me give a little peek behind the curtain for everyone here. So we have a list of what is it, 12 to 15 movies, guys, that we're withholding that we'll do on special occasions. This was like, you know, the thing was our first film that we did on this podcast. Uh, we did The Silence of the Lambs as an all-hands pick a couple of months ago, I think. This was one that probably could have been on that list, but isn't it would you guys agree this is one that we overlooked not putting on our special occasions list? Oh, as a as an all-time class, or is this kind of on that borderline where it's it's okay we didn't put it up there with just, for example, The Exorcist, Daws, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, etc.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Yeah, I think it's okay that we didn't put it on the list. I mean, it it you you're right, it is kind of, you know, for it, you know, we know what it is. It's a classic for us, but I don't know if it's really making the rounds the way it used to back in the 80s and the 90s and even the early odds is kind of one of those tent pole movies that launched a lot of careers and brought Stephen, you know, now I'm just making the case for it, brought Stephen King to the forefront. Right. Brian De Palma boosted him up, so maybe, yeah, maybe we should have.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

I mean, I I'd say it's okay that we didn't put it on the untouchable just because think about it, we've literally had 50 years since this movie came out, and there's been you know thousands of movies put out, right? So so for us to miss this one in our top 20 untouchables, that's alright. It's forgivable, I think.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Yeah, I think it's for it's forgivable. If you start putting too many in, then your elite is not necessarily elite anymore.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

You're diluting it.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

Yeah, like I you know, people would talk about like elite quarterbacks in the NFL and they'd want to rattle off like eight guys. I'm like, okay, that's 25% of the league. Like there's not eight elite quarterbacks, there's two, possibly three.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

Yeah, when you have this when you have this group of 15 and then you just start dumping period blood on it, it really dilutes the whole thing, you know. Oh my god. Or was that pig's or pig's blood, but whatever it was. It's both both the bloods, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Surprised theirs didn't show up. Right. You know, if you watch Friday the 13th, part two, keep it clean. Carrie's cabin would have been attacked for written up, it would have been written up for not keeping it clean. Yeah, so my relationship with this with Carrie, like the first time I saw this was on cable. Distinctly remember turning it on, having not seen it before, having not known anything about it. I was, you know, probably a teenager, young teenager, if I remember. But distinctly remember turning this on right at the part where she gets covered in blood at the prom, everything goes red. We get the speed screen. Yeah, I am like what is going on here? Like, you know, the one guy getting electrocuted, everything starts going up in flames. She walks off the stage. I'm like, what the hell did I just stumble onto? So I saw the end before anything else. It was it was much later in life when I watched the whole thing start to finish. I understood the blood connection, why they dumped the blood on her, got to know the other characters. Great characters in this movie, by the way. Not good people, but the best versions of nasty people that they're portraying. Right. Um, you know, then when I got older, started to care about who makes films and realized Brian De Palma also made this. I was like, oh hell yeah, that's great. Yeah. So you guys got any other relationships with this one or Charlie 1976? You were uh a teen then, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:33

No, no, I was seven when it came out. Same kind of both. Yeah, right. Kind of the same thing for me with this movie was like, you know, I had older cousins and siblings that had seen it and like talked about it, and because there was so much nudity, it was one of those that you know I I wasn't allowed to watch until later, and I I kind of feel like the version that I saw, even though it was on maybe like Showtime or something, was where they took the period scene out and kind of like skipped over most of the nudity in the the the locker room. Maybe the pig blood thing didn't make sense to me for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

Hmm. That's interesting. I know there's like the edited for TV version has in the locker room scene like the girls are in towels or are covered up, there's no nudity, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Blood stuff was still I mean it's pretty important to the story. Yeah. It is maybe just didn't make sense to me because of my age. I didn't understand any of that.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

But what last week you said? Yeah, right. So you see, when girls go through never mind.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

So yeah. How about the tagline for Carrie? We'll get more into that opening scene and and all that stuff when we get into the movie, but the tagline 20 minutes on that opening scene. I've got 20. All right, you got you got seven, right? Two taglines on the poster. If you've got a taste for terror, take Carrie to prom. I don't know. And then the other one is if if they only knew she had the power. I don't know. I think we could have done something better there. I don't know what it is, but I feel like they could have done something.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Yeah, I don't think either of them are great.

SPEAKER_01 8:29

Yeah, so talked about him a little bit. This is a Brian De Palma joint. Part of the movie Brats, the trio that includes Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola. Steven Spielberg was also friends with George Lucas when they met at a film festival. Martin Scorsene was part of this up-and-coming youth movement in Hollywood at the time. Everyone of these guys always like kind of gave each other notes, constructive criticisms, helped each other in filmmaking process. For example, De Palma did Scarface, Spielberg co-directed the climactic scene in Scarface in that. The say hello to my little friend, that whole end sequence in Scarface. Spielberg put his little touch on that. De Palma sat in on in on auditions with George Lucas for Star Wars. So a lot of these young up and comers were like really helping each other out on their various projects.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Well, yeah, sure. All the all those basically everybody in this movie, Nancy Allen, Sue Snell, William Kett, they all auditioned for Star Wars parts, right? I believe they knew, yeah. So Tom William, so Tommy in this was actually auditioning for Luke Skywalker, and Nancy Allen was auditioning for somebody on Star Wars 2. So like they were all they you mentioned it. He was in the room basically saying, Who's George not gonna call back that I like, right? They kind of just shared the casting session on this one, so right. It was pretty neat, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Yeah, and then William Cott got a concussion from a bucket landing on his head, yeah, and he couldn't be Luke Skywalker anymore. Because he couldn't use the force. Charlie, you're a Star Wars guy. Can you picture William Cott as Luke? Yeah. All right, Ron. William Cat. It's K-A-T-T. William Cat.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Is it the K A?

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

You'd have to lose some of the hair, but yeah, he would have been a great Luke Skywalker. I could not athletes see him as Luke. Mark Hamill is a great actor. It's not like I think he's a great actor. Right. It's probably a better Star Wars. Watch Wars. I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Watch Star Wars. Hot take. Watch Star Wars, everybody. Yeah. No. But yeah, it's Mark Hamill's got great hair in that movie, but like the curls that that Tommy has, they're it's different. A different vibe.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Yeah, I don't think they'd have the curls in space. But it fit, it fit in the high school, you know. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Yeah. Spielberg was apparently on set of carry often, asked out Amy Irving, who plays Sue. Spielberg and Irv Irving ended up getting married in 1985. They had a child together, divorced four years later. The Palma, he's best known for Carrie, Dress to Kill, Blowout, Scarface, Body Double, The Untouchables, Carlito's Way, Mission Impossible. Yeah. Snake Eyes. He had some stinkers too, which is why he's kind of often overlooked when people mention guys like Spielberg and Scorsese. I mean, it that's kind of unfair in my opinion. Those guys had some stinkers too. I don't think anybody's talking about like Warhorse anytime recently or in the last 10-15 years, but catching strays. But yeah, I'm just saying I'm just saying everybody has a couple that they wish they could get back. And you know, De Palma's one of those as well. But De Palma's got some really, really great films and should be should be mentioned in the same breath as these other guys.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

He does, but he didn't string like three together ever, right? That's kind of the thing. It's like you if you string three together, whatever you get like elevated a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Yeah, but maybe he passed the Charlie test. Like I know who he is. Okay. Rhino.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

He's got four decades worth of work, or or maybe more. Five decades worth of work, right? So that's impressive too. Yeah, I mean Carly, what's everybody's everybody's favorite diploma?

SPEAKER_02 12:38

Scarface.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

How about top three? How about top three?

SPEAKER_01 12:45

Top three? Probably Scarface. Scarface, body double, and blowout all came out in a row. And Dress to kill. And the Bruce Springsteen dancing in the dark music video.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

I really liked Mission Impossible. The first Mission Impossible was pretty dope, right? It's really dope. So I might put that in my three. I don't know what's leaving it, but some yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

I guess you could go different eras, right? Like I'd say probably like Scarface, Blowout, and I I'd replace Body Double with Mission Impossible. I would do that. Let me carry it. Blowout's great. Not my top three. Okay. But expand it to four or five, yeah, it's in there. Expand it to five, carry's number five. I'll give it that. Is that okay?

SPEAKER_00 13:42

That's that's fine, I guess. I I I also feel like Carrie would be in that four range. Would Martyrs be in there? I mean I hate to bring up Martyr shit. Martyrs wasn't made by French men.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

You guys must love martyrs because you can't stop talking about it. He's the French Brian De Palma. You guys just can't stop talking about it. Closet Martyrs lovers. I know. Let's move on to the leading cast, guys. Yeah. Sissy Spacek plays Carrie White, was Oscar nominated for this role. Age 27, playing a 17-year-old here. You know, she's a she's a super duper star, but I'll admit to not seeing as much as she's known for. Like I've never seen the coal miner's daughter. I don't know if you guys have, but I know she's very highly acclaimed for that one. Bloodline is a Netflix show that was out uh within the last decade that had an incredible first season that she's in, and then it kind of falls off the cliff the next two. I don't think I've ever seen a show that went from like, this show's amazing, you gotta watch it, to wow, this is terrible. What what what happened?

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Yeah. Fun fact about Sissy, she was not well known at the time. Like she had done like what was something phantom, something else with De Palma. She was pretty much told from the beginning that De Palma is looking at a different actress. You don't really have a chance, you don't need to go through this process. But she took it all personally and came in and did it. And yeah, there's something about how like how country she comes off. And that's I'm not saying that that's a way, but like it's it's a there's something about that makes that makes it believable that she was not taught certain things at certain ages, you know, Carrie's character. Right. You know, there's she's a believable homeschool, innocent, naive kind of character. I I think I can't imagine anyone else in this role. No matter that time period for sure. I don't even know today, it's just like she's got a different beauty about her. It's not a traditional beauty, but when she's all up for the prom and everything, she does look very nice and you know, pretty. So I don't know. Seems like a small character that's easy to be picked on, and even the hair was kind of wily and not styled at all. It's just everything worked for her in this one.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Yeah, yeah, I agree. Well done. Piper Lori plays Mrs. White, Carrie's mother, crazy fucking mother. Um Oscar nominated for this as well. Small role in the faculty, a movie that we've covered on this pod. She did no films and only a little bit of TV between 1961 when she did The Hustler with Paul Newman, and then Carrie came 15 years later. Crazy. Yeah. Talked a little bit about William Cott already, William Catt, William Cott.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

He plays Tommy Hero Izzy, the greatest American hero, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

Show from the late 70s, early 80s, somewhere in there.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Yeah, like that white ghost, or what is what's that one? Greatest American hero.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

He plays this superhero who gets the suit from aliens and loses the handbook. So he doesn't do all the stuff that he's supposed to do. He's like a high school teacher.

unknown 17:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

I mean, I might have to check it out.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

I've heard the name, but I just never never seen a show. You probably remember from Seinfeld. Believe it or not George. Yep. Please leave a message at the beat. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Yeah. No, I mean he was great as Tommy. Tommy he was that believable jock that you know what it did whatever his girlfriend told him to do. I mean, believable.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

Yeah. Let's say Tommy Ross, it sounds like a quarterback's name. Like, you know, with the first overall pick, the Brown select Tommy Ross. He's kind of like that.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

He's kind of like that Zeke character, too, in the faculty, where it's like the misunderstood, actually, more like the uh Sean Fatassy character in the faculty, where he's like smarter than the Jack, but doesn't try, and you know.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

Yeah. How about some guy named John Travolta plays Billy Nolan? Billy Nolan's second feature film, his breakout role. This is before Saturday Night Fever, before Grease. Travolta would work again with De Palma on Blowout. I think Blowout's an amazing film. If you haven't seen it, that's probably my best Travolta, in my opinion. Tarantino brings them back with Pulp Fiction, but Travolta and Blowout, incredible acting, incredible character, incredible movie. Gotta see it.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

I thought the movie Michael was your favorite one. No. What about Look Who's Talking Now?

SPEAKER_01 18:43

I've actually never seen it. Look Who's Talking Now? What about that one? I mean, I saw that when I was a kid. I think that's one of those that's on the zero tomato meter list. Yeah. Gotta be. Uh maybe more about Travolta down the road.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Because of Travolta, I learned the term uh reverse massage. Wait, never mind. Did you guys hear about that? When he had all these uh Massures suing him for sexual harassment and me too and him.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

Alleged.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

It's alleged. It's alleged, right? I mean, hey. I'm just saying it was out there. The bell was rung. It's hard to unring that bell.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

I didn't say he did it. I just asked if he did it. I questioned if he did.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

But now he's done he does a lot of T-Mobile commercials, I think, doesn't he? Or is that a different one?

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Capital One.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Capital One, he's saying that a lot.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

Yeah. Yeah. And then yeah. Nancy Allen, she plays Chris Harginson. She gets slapped around a lot in this movie. True basically. A lot. A lot.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Certified crazy. All I know is that the teacher was throwing hands. Miss Collins was throwing hands on everybody. Oh, yeah. It was the 70s. I guess I guess she's a big channel. She walked by show. She's grabbing you, giving you a smack, man. Corporal Pronishman was alive and well.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Yeah. Nancy Allen, she's in uh she's uh in De Palma's film Ho Movies, Dress to Kill, Blowout. Maybe most famously, she's Lewis in Robocop.

unknown 20:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

She had a minute. Yeah. Did have a minute. She looked much better in this one than Robocop. Yeah. Did you hear the story? Was that Verhoven? Who did Robocop? Yeah, Paul Verhoeven. Yeah. Did you hear the story that like he was awful? He just kept making her gain weight, so they'd like to take any sexuality out of her.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

They definitely sex her up at all. Like she's always wearing body armor and like a bomb suit, like kind of looking thing, like Swatine gear from head to toe.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

They didn't want there to be any tension between Lewis and help me out of here. Robocop. Peter Peter Weller. Yeah. Weller but the his character name is what I was hoping for. Robocop. R Cop. Easy. Just a trick question. R.oboCop. R obocop.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

You can't say hubbo no more. Watch me. All right. Who else we got?

SPEAKER_01 21:25

PJ. Oh, Alex Murphy. Alex Murphy. Sorry. That's what it was.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

I don't know why I had to look that up. I was like, Peter Weller. No, wait. That's the actual guy.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Better alive.

SPEAKER_01 21:36

Yeah. And then Nancy Allen also married Brian De Palma in 1979. Three years after this, divorced in 84. Lot of lot of, I don't know. A lot of everybody just sleeping around with each other. A lot of husband out getting married. At least they're getting married out of it, not just around. Yeah, that's cocaine's a hell of a drug. Like Fleetwood Mac, man. Everybody in that band just married each other, slept with each other. Other divorced one, married another, still stayed together. Shit's wild. Oldest story ever told. Yep. Amy Irving plays Sue Snell. She would reprise the role in the sequel, The Rage Carrie 2, which came out in 1999. Never saw it, knew it was gonna suck, heard it sucked. Don't really kind of win it.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

I watched I I watched it. I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it either. It was right before, right after hate and before like whatever's between that line right there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

I did watch the 2013 remake with Chloe Grace Moretz just to kind of cure out of curiosity, like, okay, how's how's this story told 40 years later with like modern stuff, like you know, and obviously they use some some things like you know, text and videos and social media and whatever is part of the bullying and you know part of the tactics. But otherwise, it's almost like a 80% of it's like a word-for-word, shot for shot remake. It's actually it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

It's not off putting when they do that, I think.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Yeah, but it's like it's uh you know, they don't stray too far off, they stray they don't really stray at all off the line. And then PJ Souls plays hold on, hold on, hold on one second.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Still on Amy Irving? Okay, still on Amy Irving. Jessica Rabbit's voice, apparently. Apparently. And who framed her? I saw that, yeah. And her mom in real life played her mom in the movie. She did, yeah. Very small role in the beginning. Did you already have that fact for later? I did, but that's okay. All kinds of stuff I'm gonna forget later.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Yeah, no, PJ. PJ Souls. She plays the other friend, Norma. Yeah. Fun fact, Norma's outfit was the inspiration for Mario's outfit for Super Mario Brothers. Did you know that? Yeah, that's kind of awesome. No, it's it's not, but it damn well could have been because it's a red cap and a red shirt with jean overalls. It's fucking Mario. She's dressed like fucking Mario, guys.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

It kind of plays the same character every movie.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Like, I wonder, was that just like a like, hey, you're gonna be the one with the hat? Yeah, you're gonna be the tomboy. You're gonna be the one with the hat. Yeah, cool hat.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

And even like when they're when the girls are all getting their hair done, like and they're in the the whatever the thing is they put over your head at the salon that dries your hair or heats it up or whatever, perms your hair, like her cap is like on top of that, so it's still like on her head. Oh, of course, weird, yeah. Yeah, but PJ Souls, she's more famous for a little film called Halloween that came out two years later. Stripes and that stripes, Rob Zombie picked her for a role in The Devil's Rejects. She later played a teacher in the 2018 version of Halloween, the David Gordon Green edition. But PJ Souls horror fans definitely know that name. Yep. So that's our cast. Anybody else you want to mention? I think I went through a pretty long list.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

The the one girl who had one friend weird hair with the glasses. She was the secretary in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 25:22

I thought she I was trying to place her. I was like, she looks so familiar, and then I just couldn't.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

And we're only talking like 10, 12 years later. Yeah. And she's playing a much older character.

unknown 25:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Edie McClure.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

Yeah. That's it. That's her name. She was a character Ralph. She was playing trans automobiles. She had a small role in that.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

You Charlie coming in with the homework.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

I just recognize her. I didn't discharge that shit.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

No, man, that's good stuff. All right. The budget on Carrie was$1.8 million, rose to$33.8 million. Good return in the 70s. Gotta love that. Was released in mid-November of 1976. And you know, during this month, Rocky came out a couple days later. And then the following week, the film Network came out, which was a huge hit and won like all the Oscars that year. Right. Both huge hits, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

Yeah. Except for Best Movie, which was Rocky. Was it movie or did Rocky win it? Yeah. Still on one for Rocky. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Yep. Produced and directed, right? Or produced and wrote.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Yeah, wrote and then yeah, as far as the awards, mentioned that Piper Lori was Oscar nominated for this, you know, Golden Globe as well. Sissy SpaceX nominated for an Oscar for this. Network won all the stuff. I mean, Beatrice Strait and Faye Dunaway each won respectively in the actress category. Never saw that movie though.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

That's pretty good. It's pretty good. Is that that's the uh Mattis Allen I'm not gonna take it anymore, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Okay, yes, yes, it is.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

It's pretty good. Yeah. They probably got it right. I mean, that works a great film. Not gonna lie. I don't think that either of these two got snubbed at all by those wins. Metacritic gave this an 86, very high on the Metacritic rating. That's uh well into the green, that's very high. 94 here's interesting enough, the the critic score 94% Rotten Tomatoes. Fan score only 77%. Oftentimes with horror, you get the fan score being a little higher, if not much higher, than the critics. Yeah. I wonder if Rotten Tomatoes comes out later, so maybe fans are seeing this later and are just not appreciating the you know, appreciating the I don't maybe, you know, fans in the millennial era aren't appreciating the 70s films, and think it's just kind of slow. There is parts where I have problems with the pacing. 94%'s high. 86 is right on the money. But it's a really it's a really good movie.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

I mean, good. Good acting, good script, good direction, good yeah, special effects.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

If I'm giving it a grade, it's a movie, which is at least a 90, right? Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. So maybe 94%.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

That's where it lives for me, is that 90 range, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

Yeah, yeah. 86 maybe a little low then, but 77, that's way too low.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

On the version, you I do have a question. Read a book. For someone that doesn't read books. Yeah, nerd. I have a question for you guys before we go too far. In the scene where they're shopping for Tuxes, is there like three seconds that fast forwarded a little bit that played it like five times?

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Yeah, it was just a bad edit. I'm like it's a crazy edit or something.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

I didn't know, like, in one part, I was like, okay, they're trying to show us that they're having all this back and forth, but they're speeding past it, but I'm like, that was only like three seconds worth of conversation. So you think it was just a bad edit?

SPEAKER_01 29:05

I think that's what it was. I I can't I can't recall.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Every time I watch it, I've watched it like four times in the past couple years, and it's like every time I'm like, what the hell was that? Yep, it's gotta be just a bad edit.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

I don't know why else it would be there. But yeah. One of the so of the Metacritic reviews, like, you know, they take like there's like 20 some reviews. There's five of them that gave a hundred. Roger Ebert was an 88, according to Metacritic. The the review that Dave Kerr gave, another Chicago guy, was a 40. And this guy I remember when we did the thing, he gave the thing a very, very low rating, which drove the Metacritic score way down. I also looked at how he rated Jaws. He gave Jaws a really shitty review, which drove drives Jaws Metacritic rating down nowadays. So he's a hater. I don't know who this Dave Kerr guy is, but how does he have a job? Well, it's from the 70s is when he wrote it. And I don't know. I guess you had to have differing opinions or whatever, but so he writes that uh the Palma demonstrates the drawbacks of a film school education. You know what? How about Dave? How about you just shut the fuck up right there? You know, yeah, the drawbacks of a film school education. Like, okay. Exactly. By overexploiting every cornball trick of style in the book. Just fuck off, dude. Like you gave if you give Carrie, the thing, Jaws, all like bad, bad, bad reviews. Like, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

I want to know what he gave good reviews to.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Yeah, like Sack lunch. Sack lunch. Pieces. Pieces he gave a hundred to. It's wild. So would I. But yeah, so that's uh a little bit of the reviews on this. Let's jump into the film, shall we? Let's do it. So let's just skip the opening scene, move right to um just hey, wait a minute. Justin's only part that he watches over and over again. Justin watches this movie for six minutes, and then is like, you know what, I'm bored. Watch something else. And and sleepy.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

I gotta go brush my hair.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

I'm gonna go back in my room.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

No, it's so it's the way it's shot. Okay, this is gonna sound like I'm glossing over the obvious here, but it is very it's shot in a very pretty way, where like there's there's girls just being comfortable in their skin, running around, laughing, you know, pushing each other and stuff like that, just being comfortable in their skin, and then there's carry, right? So it does draw a very stark, you know, comparison or con contrast between the two of them. Apparently, all the girls were were nervous about the scene because they're not wearing much, if anything. But you know, I think it's a super important scene, and then the shock of obviously starting your first period in in high school as a junior, senior in high school in front of everybody, thinking you're dying. She sissy had to ask basically Brian De Palma, like, what am I supposed to be feeling here to help me act this scene out? And he's like, it's like getting hit by a Mac truck, like that shock and that you know, just disbelief of what's going on. You think you're dying, right? So super, super traumatic, right? For Carrie, and and it can kind of it's easy to see how she went from there to triggering that latent telekinetic power, right? Yeah. Girls are mean, man. Girls are super mean, they went all mob mentality on it, right?

SPEAKER_02 33:01

I I would say I here's one thing I'd like to say about that scene is that if you ask any your wives, anyone your age, anyone my age, they will quickly tell you that at no time was a girl's locker room ever like that. Even in the 70s, so I don't know. Nobody's running around naked. No one's I mean, no one is comfortable with your bodies at that age. It that is just a Hollywood, fine that we Hollywood that is thrown out there. We meant throw out there because I mean for the scene it works, but the nudity wasn't necessary. I mean, and and like I said, it's not probably not realistic.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

There's nothing inherently, I mean, okay, it is nudity, right? But there's nothing inherently sexual about what they're doing, nude. I know that men's I agree the male gaze is arguing with that, but anyway, yeah. No, it I thought it was I thought it turned out very well, except for Carrie. Carrie uh didn't think it turned out well at all. No, yeah. It turned even the nicest of even the nicest of the girls, Sue, was basically like just you know, all fevered up, throwing like throwing shit at her, and you know, everybody turned into this animal and was attacking the smaller animal, right?

SPEAKER_02 34:27

You could see you could see that they were given trying to make us sympathize with her uh towards the end of that scene where she's like the only one who shows any kind of like, oh, this is kind of fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Well, yeah, because the teacher came in and was like, Sue, what are you doing? Shaking the shit out of her, you know, and then slapped Carrie. And that just thing that's when they first realized that Carrie did not know what was happening to her. Like they're like, she is 18, 17 years old, and just learning that blood's coming out, and nobody's told her about this, you know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

And she's like she's like rubbing her hands on the other girls.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

I'm not gonna lie, I would push her to the ground too if she got her her blood on that. You mean there's no blood. I can be the nicest person in the world, but like I'd be like, oh yeah, no, I'll push you down.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Like yeah, even if you don't know what's happening to you, you don't you don't come at somebody like that. I'm not breaking into the sanitary locker though, and just throwing the whole shit at there. No, girls are mean, man.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

That shit was plug it up, plug it up.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Yeah, all right. So it's 2026, and you're making a movie. You're gonna be like, all right, you 20 girls, we're gonna have all of you naked in this locker room, okay? Nope. Is that working out? Nope. No, it's not working out. And we're gonna shoot you in the shower and you're gonna caress your breast real nice. Yeah, that was weird too. Soak yourself up. We're just gonna zoom in on there for like 10 seconds. Is that cool? Okay, is that is that flying in 2026?

SPEAKER_00 36:00

That isn't fly in 2016. I think they could have done it in a way where we knew they were naked, but we didn't see you know all that for sure. We knew they were showering. We three or four of them just total frontal. It was a point though. Go ahead. Go ahead. It's in the book. That that whole scene is is pretty laid out in the book at the very beginning, like the very first scene in the book, right? So I think they tried to stay true to that, and it's a plot point for a very traumatic incident for her, right? So, like, I don't know how else to tell it without her being exposed and vulnerable like that for them to, you know. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

But you don't have to shoot it like a soft core porn, like there's 20 other girls in the locker room, and they're all just like, you know, playfully like, you know, playing with each other's underwear and shit, and you know, poking each other's tits and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

I was gonna say that the only movie that I've seen where you have men and young men, young women together naked, where it was completely not a sexual thing, and it worked troopers and Starship Troopers. The shower scene. I mean, they're all equals. They live in a society where you know, obviously, men and women still have sex and have children, but it's like you know, we're all here out to die and get you know get killed by these stupid aliens, and you know, we have one shower, we don't have time for two showers, we don't have time for two bathrooms, we're just we just all shower together.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Yeah, to m to Mike's point, you're right. This does not fly in the past 30 years, I don't think, for no this type of shot. Yeah, this type of scene.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Yeah. Well, I'm doing my part. I didn't do I didn't do shit.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

I didn't do fucking shit.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Had to say it. All right. So that's our that's our opening scene. It's a classic for sure. Sets up the whole crux of the movie here. You know, then we get I'm I'm not gonna do kind of what we usually do here and and go through like you know we're trying to do better. We're trying to do better. I'm trying to shorten it up a little bit by hitting the bullet point. So after this, you know, we're in the principal's office. Okay. The principal just keeps calling Carrie Cassie or Casey, I think. Cassie. Cassie. What do you think about Miss Collins just smoking in the principal's office? I mean that was I guess that's what we think in the 70s.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

The ashtray was there for a reason. Yeah, right. It's not decoration. Smoking in the boys' room. It was another like stressor, if you will, for Carrie. Yeah. Um, Carrie's not comfortable. Obviously, her mom probably does not smoke or do anything like that. No, so just another stressor.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

Yeah, but the scene worked because it it kind of addressed the the incident that happened and further shows how she's completely marginalized by everybody, and also shows what's triggering her versioning powers. Right. Boiling power, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

And they hint around her home life. They're like, but her mother, like they talk about they hint around.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

And then we really see it in the next scene. A minute. Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

Yeah, we see uh crazy Carrie, uh, she wrecks the kid on his bike. So Ryan's nephew. Yeah, and so right away, like, that's three times where Carrie's like used her powers. She she blew out the light bulb in the shower, she she flipped the ashtray in the principal's office, knocks the kid off his bike. So so we're off and running, right? You know, next big scene is or not really a big scene, but we we do meet Carrie's bomb at Sue's house. She she's peddling Jesus'. Pedaling, doing the Lord's work, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

And sure the teenagers know yeah what Jesus is.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

Yeah, so it's Sue's house, and uh and then uh you know, she's trying to she I like the line where she tells uh Sue's mom, she's like, These are godless times, and Sue's mom is like, I'll drink to that. That was great. Good. But that's where we kind of meet, get to know Carrie's mom a little bit. And then Carrie flipped on you.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

You saw her flip on the switch with Sue's mom too, and she's like, I'd like to offer five. I mean ten dollars. Yeah, she's like, I see, and then she like looks like she was gonna hit her, but she's like, I pray you find Jesus, and then that's like whoa.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

And then, yeah, we get a little peek into Carrie's home life, you know? Oh yeah, some of the stuff that I think she just read to Carrie, like Eve was weak, telling the story of Adam and Mama. The first sin was like, What did you tell me, Mama?

SPEAKER_00 40:43

Why didn't you tell me, Mama?

SPEAKER_01 40:46

She's beating her ass. Later we see that you know, they eat dinner in front of like a big giant mural of the Last Supper.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

Last Supper? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

Does she get put in a does she put Lock Carrie in the closet here?

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Yeah, that's the prayer closet.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

Yeah. With the Jesus with the glowing eyes. Well, it's the creepest Jesus in there. It's I mean it's glowing. It is a Jesus, but it's not a it's not a any representation I've ever seen of Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 41:17

I I got a fun fact about it.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

I'll get to it later. Oh, are you gonna save that fun fact? There's gotta be some lights involved in this thing, right? The lighted eyes, or is it? I don't know. No, you are saved. We'll save it for later.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

I'll save it. It's it's not that fun a fact. It's Saint Sebastian.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

Oh it's not Jesus, but we're we're supposed to be Jesus, though, right? I don't even know. Here, he's got arrows sticking out of it. He's crucified, but like he also has arrows, which obviously Jesus did not have arrows in it.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

And glowing eyes.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Well, he might have. She was at the top of the stairs, and then just mom was ready. She had that speech ready for years, probably. Yeah, right. Yeah. Telling her that the blood came because of the sin and all that shit. And that's like, what a horrible, yeah, horrible thing to do to your daughter, right? Yep, yeah. Um incredibly foul. Why didn't you tell me? Why didn't you tell me, mama? And then she's like, Eve was weak, say it.

SPEAKER_02 42:37

Yeah, it's uh that was a difficult scene to watch.

SPEAKER_00 42:41

Powerful scene, you feel awful for Carrie the whole time. And you understand it does tell you, you know, more insight into how she didn't know, right? This is what she lives with. She lives with any mention of anything is a sin, right? Everything is a sin. Everything, apparently. Vicky Valencourt, show me her boobs, mama. And I like them. That was a different movie.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Uh yeah. Uh so then we get to the gym teacher, Miss Collins. She dresses down the girls, makes fun of their prom dates. Um that's a great scene, too. You know, she just like wants to tell them that she wanted them basically like suspended, their prom dates revoked, prom tickets revoked. But instead she gotta get a week of detention instead. But she dresses them down real good. Like, who are you taking to the prom? Billy Nolan. Oh, he's the lucky one. Like, you know, just basically belittling the shit out of them all. Yeah, what they did to Carrie. And Miss Collins don't fuck around, man.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

What's what's funny is part of that was an overcorrection because she even mentioned at the teacher that she's like, or to the principal, she's like, I feel Felt the same way. I wanted to hit her too. I wanted to, you know, I was mad at her too in that moment. So like I think that scared her too, with how she felt the draw of the mob, and like to blame Carrie was natural in that situation. So I think it was a little bit of overcorrection to make her get rid of some of her guilt.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Yeah. And then they they she's gonna tell them that it's her detention, they're gonna PT them. She's gonna PT them all week, basically. And Chris Chris ain't having it. I ain't going. And she's she's out there and does it and finally gets out of line. It's like if we all leave, she can't she can't take all her prom tickets away or whatever. And like she goes to leave and she's back talking Miss College and she smacks the ever loving shit out of her. We back like a pimp and slapped a hoe.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Yeah, I believe is a technical term.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

Wow. I'm surprised she stayed on her feet because she slapped her so fucking hard. It looked real too. There's like movie slaps too, like camera tricks. It looked like she literally slapped the shit out of her. Like no camera trick. That was like Will Smith right there. Yeah, it was harder than that. It was like slow-mo it. It was a good one.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

No, I mean at that point, I'm like, the teacher's kind of a shit, too. I get like you gotta be able to handle these 17, 18-year-old girls like talking back after you've been like running them like dogs for an hour, right? Yeah, I mean she can get it. She can get it.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

Which won't the gym teacher. Man. So one of the most 1976 things about this movie is Carrie going to the library. She finds a book on miracles, which but she had to use the card catalog. She had to use the card catalog to find the book. She goes and finds the book, helps her describe what telekinesis is. You know, today she probably just Google that shit. She can go into the library. You Google, well, I just how did I just flip ashtray without my hand?

SPEAKER_00 46:01

You're being no, you're being too too form with it. It'd be like ashtray flip why.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Exactly. Yeah, there'd be YouTube videos on how to flip ashtrays.

SPEAKER_01 46:12

Yeah. And then we get to the you know, this kind of turns into a she's all that type of plot where Sue suggests to Tommy that she wants Tommy to take Harry to prom. Yeah. And I don't know if they establish it. Is Tommy Sue's boyfriend, right? Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

Okay. I think there's pictures of them together in Sue's room, and they're holding her.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

And does Miss Collins even ask, like, she even asks, you know, when she's dressing the girls down, like who you going with? Yeah. Who you going with? And she says Tommy, Tommy Ross. Like, oh, good for you. Must be nice or something.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

Yeah. Bob Ross's son. You can see it in the hair. Bob Ross.

SPEAKER_00 46:54

Yeah, maybe brother, because Bob Ross, you know, they're the same age, probably.

SPEAKER_01 46:59

Yeah. And Tommy doesn't want to do it at first. And you kind of you kind of wonder what the Yeah, it's career. It's social suicide, right?

SPEAKER_02 47:07

Yeah, for sure. It feels really authentic, though. Like it does seem like something someone's stupid high school girlfriend would come up with to kind of make herself feel better while thinking she's trying to do something good to get her boyfriend to go on at to on you know to prom with another the girl that everybody picks on. And his reluctance seems authentic. And then the scene where they're he's like watching TV and she's doing homework in the background, and they keep looking at each other, and that seemed authentic. And then he gave in, and that seemed authentic. And then we're giving that shoulder shoulder. And then the other scene where the teacher has them both in the office and she's asked him about it. The fact that he's just sitting there kind of smirky and like smiley. I mean, it you see they're really good script directing and acting, one of, two of, or all three. It really seemed authentic. More authentic than the locker room scene, I'll say that.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

I'm gonna say all three, yeah. You know what it's giving? It's it's that's the kids like to say, it's giving, it's giving those stories where you think they let the uh the the basketball manager in for like the last three minutes of the final game of the season when they're up by 50 or whatever, and he makes a three-pointer and everybody cheers, and then like all the next day, like that's what they were trying to go for, right? That whole like feel good story. Yep. And they almost got away with it if it weren't for those meddling pigs.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

Yeah, god damn it. Yeah, a lot of pigs in this movie, huh? A lot of pigs, but yeah, it's you know, and it they make it feel authentic too. Like to the to the end, like even when the prank goes down at the prom, it's like Sue is like trying to save her, trying to like stop it, you know. Yeah, like I I I feel like they were trying to, you know, you feel like the whole time they're setting her up to get to get pranked, and then Sue's the one setting it up, but then she's the one like surprised and like doesn't want her to get pranked. It's I don't know. Or she's just trying to save face with Miss Collins or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

Oh no, no, she didn't want to give you pranked. No, I think they can be. No, no, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:18

This is John Travolta.

SPEAKER_00 49:20

It was just a coincidence. It was two different plans coming together at the at the same time, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:26

Once once Chris found out that uh Tommy was taking care of the plan, you know, devised over a blowjob was formed, right? Right. So that's what I do. Getting getting the BJ, and then she just says, I hate Terry White. He's like, who?

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Yeah. So yeah, then we get, you know, we meet John Trafalgar, right? Is that when his he comes up? So him him and Chris are riding, riding in the car, going to the drive-in, and they're driving down the road and just passing beers between cars, one kid to another. That was awesome. Also, another very 1976 thing about movies about this.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

Hey, give me a beer.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Even even like I got my license in the year 2000, and we would just even in the early 2000s, you would still just like drive around like you you had nowhere to go. You just like drive and hope you see somebody you knew, or go to the mall and park and just hang out, or go to the Burger King parking lot and hang out. Just maybe you see someone else you knew, and you hey, let's ride over, let's ride over this way, let's go down this road, or whatever. Go to Denny's. You know, go for a ride. Social media wreck it all. Yeah, nobody I don't think anybody just like goes for a ride anymore. Nobody cares about it.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

All I know is like John Travolta does not know how to act like he's really driving a car when he's off. It was it was he was bopping around, and yeah. The cops shining the light and was awesome, though.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

Yeah, that was great. He spills his beer on Chris and she calls the dumb shit. After she does it like the second or third time, he's he slaps the shit out of her. Chris gets slapped the shit out of again. He gets he pats her on the cheek one time, like the first one was just a warning pat. Yeah, like a like, hey, watch it. I don't like it when you call me that. And then the second time she does it, yeah. Yeah, man, she gets the shit beat out of her.

SPEAKER_00 51:33

But I think it's all part of her manipulation, right? I knew it was I think it was a let's push you, you're going to act out and feel guilty, then I've got more manipulation shut stuff to use on you, too. Like, plus the sexuality, right?

SPEAKER_03 51:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

She she seemed very in control of Johnny T. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

So when Chris, so when Chris is going down on Billy here. Are you gonna ask how she was talking so well? Yes, please. How is she not like are are we on it?

SPEAKER_00 52:07

I don't know if you talk about it. It was good, it was just strategic. It was in between, you know.

SPEAKER_01 52:14

Was it she's talented, who knows? Or maybe you know, Billy's hung like a light switch. I don't know. Unknowable, right? Unknowable unknowable. I didn't see that in the fun fact. I was looking for it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:32

You typed in John Triple to Pina Small.

SPEAKER_01 52:38

Yeah, so we get back to you know, when they're gonna go through with this plot, you know, that Tommy's gonna take Carrie to the prom, and you know, Carrie goes and tells Miss Collins, and you know, Miss Collins kind of is like, oh, that's great. But which Miss Collins goes and tells me cool. Yeah, when Miss Collins goes to tell uh Sue and Tommy, she's like she sees right through that bullshit. She's like, What the what do you guys got planned? What's going on?

SPEAKER_00 53:06

You think effing stupid is what that's what that yeah, that's what that's what she's doing. And she basically was like, Do you think Carrie is effing stupid, right? Right.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Yeah, and you know, they kind of explain it, try to explain to her, like, we just feel bad for her, we want her to have a good time, and I don't know. I don't think she was ever really, really buying it.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

But yeah, they wanted her to feel part of something and not on the outside all the time. Yeah, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

Yeah, we get more of uh crazy Carrie telling crazy mom that she got invited to prom. Well, that was after the the pig the pig farm scene, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:50

So yeah, basically the teacher, you know, found out that Carrie turned it down and that didn't deter Tommy and Sue. And uh he showed up at her house, which was the most dangerous thing for Carrie to this point in the go because before her mom could find out who was at the door, she's like, Yes, I'll go, fine, just leave. Just get out of here before I get my ass kicked again.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

Yeah, before I get locked in the closet with things of action.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

Then she has to come out and be like, Thank you, mama. Like, uh, that that one made my stomach turn when she came out of the closet. When she's like, Thank you, mama. Like, ah.

SPEAKER_01 54:28

Yeah. You know, Billy and the gang, they they go to the the pig farm and they go to slaughter a pig. We don't know why yet, but they basically had to slaughter a pig to get a jerry can full of blood. Yeah, jerry can, you know, full of blood, yeah. And uh pig's blood for for later on in the film, which we you know, what is it, uh, checkoff's jerry can of pig's blood? Is that what that is?

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Well, like, here's the question like, could they have not just filled a bucket with it? Well, I guess you're gonna put it in your car and transport it. So it's gotta be in a locking container. I guess they didn't have tougherware back then.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

I don't know if you know about transporting buckets of blood, but it is not as easy as you think. There's always a mess.

SPEAKER_00 55:11

There's always a mess.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

And uh, you know, Chris is just in love with it. Billy just slaughters this pig, and Chris is like, that's my man. That's my man.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

She's evil and he's stupid as hell. Oh my god, yes.

SPEAKER_00 55:26

We're gonna talk about Freddie later, but uh Freddie couldn't do it. He was talking big game when he jumped in there. He's just like, I can't do it.

SPEAKER_03 55:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

He has one of the funniest lines in the entire one of the funniest interactions in the entire thing, though. Later.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

Part of the plan. Bring it up when we get there.

SPEAKER_00 55:46

Okay, we're almost there.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

All right, and then so then Carrie does tell mom that she's going to the prom, that's the next like big theme here. Yep, and she's standing up to her, and mom at mom's line is uh, you know, after the blood comes, the boys like sniffing dogs, gritting and slobbering, trying to find out where that smell comes from.

SPEAKER_02 56:05

Yeah, so she's kind of flexing her newfound self-esteem and her power, too. A little bit, yeah. Mom is figuring out that something's going on, and she better wait.

SPEAKER_00 56:17

She hits her when mom tries to walk away to close the window. She's like, I got you.

SPEAKER_01 56:22

Yep, yep. And then um, yeah, and then we get like on prom night, you know, mom's trying to manipulate her. You know, I can see your dirty pillows, and everyone knows. And then uh Carrie uses her power, tosses her onto the bed. Like she's on and she's on her way to prom.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

They could have cut one of the slams on the bed, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 56:46

Oh I was gonna say, like, the whole prom night scene, they could have cut like 10 minutes out of this. There's a lot of just like how long was the movie? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 56:56

Without the sweet, there was a like an hour 37. It's not big. You know what I mean? Like, so without the highs that she was feeling, her fall wouldn't have been as you know deep of a fall, right? Yeah, so it this thing flipped her completely off. Like she was completely off her guard because she was allowing herself to feel right, but we'll get to that in a second.

SPEAKER_01 57:20

But yeah, no, I just mean from like once we get to prom and they're like, you know, Miss Collins is talking to her, and Tommy's making nice, and like I don't know, everyone there's a whole lot of waiting around a long time for the shit to hit the fan, and we already know the pig's blood is where it is. You do you know the Titanic's gonna say, showed us that. It's like we know what's coming. You do, and this is where the pacing crawls to a halt. But I think it's good though. I think it's good, but we're not calling it. To make you wait for it. Yes, yes, suspense.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

So the favorite part I was mentioning here with Fred was when what Freddie was when he was trying to volunteer for the committee with the guy. He's like, Hey, he's like, Yeah, he's like, I want to just uh collect the ballots, and he's like, Alright, be here at be here at 6 30. He's like, No, I can't be able to do it. Yeah, I'll see you at 8 o'clock.

SPEAKER_01 58:17

I'm here at 8. No, that wasn't great.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

I love it. He was uh he was a character actor from the 70s and 80s, too. He I recognized him instantly. He's in a lot of stuff. Kind of like movies along the same vein, comedies, things like that. Yeah. Usually as a bad guy.

SPEAKER_00 58:36

So are we to the prom yet?

SPEAKER_01 58:39

So we're we're at prom, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

Okay. So we're at prom, she doesn't want to go in yet, right? She's scared to go in. Right. Her mom has messed her up so much that she completely believes they're they're all gonna laugh at you. Yeah, it's like you know, the Adam Sandler. Yeah. I that's gotta be comedy, but oh yeah, 100%. Yeah, she 100% believes it. Tommy's great. Tommy is like, hey, we're on your timeline, yeah. Tommy's a great date, like almost too great. I'm like, Sue better watch him. Don't you think? By the end of that night, I think Tommy and Carrie were a couple. Yeah, they they got along really well. Yeah, he was on.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Tommy wasn't he didn't know anything about what was gonna happen either. He he didn't sidestep out of the way, or I mean, he was sincere about it. He really wanted them to win.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

I mean he wanted them to win. He's like, damn, damn be the devil or whatever. No, I think part of the the beauty of it's awful. The whole final scene is off where she gets the blood dumped on her, but like to have her start to feel accepted, like little by little, won by Sue's friend. The the teacher comes, tells that story about her awful prom night, and lets herself let her like dance with Tommy. That whole scene where it's spinning around and around super fast, it's all meant to like you know, let us inside of inside of Carrie's head, like what she's kind of feeling, right? The rush of it all, the butterflies, whatever, right? The lightheadedness. Yeah, but yeah, all that was necessary, I think, for us to get the true heartbreak of the end there.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:24

Yeah, yeah. We get a really long tracking shot. We get PJ Souls fucking with the ballots, or Norman, I should say, she's fucking with the ballots to make sure that Tommy and Carrie win from King and Queen. You know, they follow the rope up to the bucket in the rafters. That's where Sue finally sees what's going on. See it. And then yeah, it's it's you know, it's it's so much tension. You're like waiting for this bucket to drop. I'm sorry, they tugged on that rope for like three minutes. I'm like, I feel like it was barely hanging on, and that I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:06

I'm with you. Like, there's slow it down to a they did slow it to a crawl to make us feel like they were holding that a long time.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:13

Yeah, they did. You know, really, really, really tense. And then when the bucket drops and the blood splatters, all of Carrie's memories come rolling back. Everything everyone said, you get the little kaleidoscope camera thing with they're all laughing at her, and you know, she's her mom's voices.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:33

Right, everyone was like disgusted except for except for stupid PJ.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:38

Yeah, and then they get you know, this is all the Palma's shit, like the long tracking, the kaleidoscope thing, then into the split screen where the lights go red, you know, and and Carrie's all of a sudden like the rage is coming out, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:55

Tommy gets the bucket in the head, and then Tommy the bucket falls on him, and he's out the hell is going on, and then the bucket hits him.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:03

Yeah, he doesn't sidestep the blood, he's not like he knew it was coming, like, you know, wild. But then, yeah, everything comes roaring back. It's just classic, you know, De Palma camera work and just you know, all that stuff. Just a real thing. He did a good job of like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:22

I think nowadays the the inclination, the idea would probably be to like CG a lot and like be like, hey, let's shoot fire from here to there, or like let's not explain like why things were happening. Like they did a good job of like showing, oh, she focused on the the hose. Let's use that to spray everybody down, and then let's use that to the fire hose, not your hose. The hose. And then let's use that to spray the microphone and electrocute these two people, which starts the fire back there, and then let's lock everybody in. They did a just a great job of her making realistic decisions, you know what I mean, with realistic, but not like kind of grounded decisions in the moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:03

Yeah. And I think some of that, like all those practical effects, like my gen alpha kids are like they hate seeing well, they hate a lot of stuff, but like bad CGI or stuff where you where it's like you didn't need CGI, you could use a practical effect for that. They're really into practical effects, which I kind of agree with. I mean, it it can't be cost effective, and it doesn't really add anything to the movie, and people pick it out right away. Like, just have like a real fire. Like with the technology is already there. We know how to do it, it's old technology and it's effective. You just shoot it right, and you don't have to come in post-production with like some stupid ass CGI where someone's looking off on the wrong spot.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

Right, with a guy in a like suit with little balls on him, so you like you know where to look and everything. Get out of here.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

Just an incredible scene when the flames come up and the and the fire starts raging, the door's shut, no one can get out. I think Sue's the only one that gets out because Miss Collins is coming after Chris and Bailey get out as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:20

Oh, right, right, right. Yeah. Because they're watching this and they've deduced that Carrie is somehow making all this happen. Yep. Because they decide to try to run her down.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:30

Yeah, and uh yeah, Carrie uh like no one's safe now. Carrie's just like, you're all done. You're dead. Even Miss Collins, who's going to bed for gets a basketball backboard, just cuttings down and whacks her principal. He gets electrocuted by the mic stand. I think that's what sets the room starts to set the room ablaze, the sparks from that, and then she just you know, she exits, she's the only other one that exits, everyone else is trapped in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:58

Yeah, I think Stephen Stephen King is his whole thing, like in all of his books, is like you have to like some of the people that die, you have to care about some of the people that die, or it means nothing, right? If we're just like good riddance to everybody in that gym, it's not a good scene, right? So, like the people, the helpers, the Sue's friend that was greeting her, Miss Collins, all those people die, make it harder to root for Carrie in that situation, right? Right, yeah, you still kind of do, but not really.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

Yep, and then the next kills Chris and Billy, they try to run over Carrie with Billy's car. She flips it, not only flips it at the gas station, but then blows that shit up. So they're dead. And then you know she's gonna go home, and you know mama's gonna be pissed. And so Carrie Carrie gets home, and uh you know, Mama stabs Carrie.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:56

Well after well, mama's sitting standing behind the door. Just like creepy in her dad. Carrie washes herself in the bloodiest water I've ever seen in my life. Well, if she's like drinking that tub a couple times.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:09

I mean, you thought her mom was-I thought her mom would be like waiting at home for her, like waiting. But no, she comes home, she's like, Mama, mama, and then she just cleans herself up, and then she's coming out behind the door and she stabs her.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

All she wanted from her mom at that point was to like pray for her, like she used to do, right? Yeah, older mom, the only one that knew was right about everything. Obviously, she wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

They all let you know just like, yeah. But then when mom ends up wanting to kill her, Carrie uses her powers and keeps her off and stabs her with six or seven different objects in the room, just come flying at Mrs. White, and she ends up in the same kind of Christ pose as the statue in the closet, which is extremely deliberate.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:52

Yes, on the nose, right? Especially on the nose. I do want to talk about the scene when Carrie's mom is coming down the stairs after her knife in hand with the giant cheese and like smile like she's you know doing God's work. And so it was all like that whole scene was almost as good as the high school scene with the gym. Like it was pretty, I don't know, disturbing.

unknown 1:07:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:18

Oh, yeah. Effective. Yeah. The house sinks into the ground. What what the hell? Well, back up.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:25

So I like the scene where like you know, she's all the knives, and the the the potato peeler impels her, and she's like stuck up against you know the house or what she's impelled to the like the pillars or whatever, and then the house starts coming down, and Carrie, you know, or she feels bad that she just killed her mom, so she goes over. She screams better. Then the house starts coming down, and then she pulls her mom off, except that one hand is stuck, and she has to give it a couple good yanks to get her free.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

Like, oh my god. I think the final exclaim, the final shout from Carrie is what moved the the rafter beam, I guess, bringing that down, and then put the weight. I don't know. That seems like a sinkhole situation. I'm not a sinkhole scientist, but like I don't know where the call come from in the dream. That was a dream. Yeah, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:24

Apparently, then you know, our epilogue here, Sue, probably the sole survivor. Everyone in her class had died in the fire. She, you know, her friends, other friends had had died, you know, other ways. She dreams that she puts the flowers on the house site, which now bears a cross made out of the for sale sign with Carrie White Burns in Hell written on it. And then I don't know if this is one of the first like jump scares at the end of a horror movie kind of thing, but kind of is definitely one that they've redone a lot, a lot of people have stolen from. But you know, Carrie's hand comes out of the ground, tries to pull Sue in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:03

I did read it's one of the first modern jump scares like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:08

But it was startling, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:10

It was good. The first time I saw it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:12

And the the them playing that while the mom is saying things like, Oh, the doctor says she's young enough or she won't remember it. I'm like, first of all, bullshit. She's not doing it. She's always going to remember. PTSD higher high school.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:28

Oh, one thing that we didn't mention was the sound effects in the movie, though.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:32

Right, right, right. From Psycho.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:35

From Psycho. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:37

Which part it during the several times during the movie they use that. Especially in the stabbing. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:44

Yeah. Any other scenes of note? Any uh quotes? Anything I missed you guys want to hit on?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:49

Nah. No, I mean like we did a good job of trying to do this in a pretty contained way. I like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:58

Yeah, I think I might still I think I still went a little too long there the last like second half of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:03

I feel like I'll clean it up for this one. That last no, no, no, no, no. I think that was good. The the high school scene, uh the the cafeter, not the high school cafeteria, but the gym scene where they're dancing, and Carrie's mom trying to kill her are the scenes that's and the the freaking period scene at the beginning are the scenes that kind of live on, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:26

Yeah. I mean, there's important stuff. Like there's scenes that set up like, okay, this is who Carrie's mom is. This is for sure. You know, all that stuff. And you know some of that stuff I guess, you know, it's we we hit on it briefly, but doesn't need to be expanded on as much, I guess. Is that where I was trying to shorten things? Yeah, you did great. Did great mic. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good work. Did did the ending stick the landing here, guys? The last jump scare is iconic.

unknown 1:10:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:53

But did it stick the landing? Like just the whole ending in general?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:56

I think so. I think it's it's just like some other movies where we've seen she's gonna be haunted for this by this for the rest of her life, is what this is saying, I think. Right, yeah. Charlie, do you agree on that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:11

No. So let me ask you a question. What do you guys think would be the male equivalent of Carrie? Like, what of what event would have a guy getting so embarrassed of all of his male friends that he would not be able to like go to prom, like he'd get bullied, and then it would lead to something happening where where they they build him up to be like, I don't know, the star at a football game, and then they embarrass him in front of the whole school.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:46

I think it would Charlie, I'll let you go first. I stole the last one here.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:49

I was gonna say first it has to be named Corey. True. Right?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:55

And Fairy.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:57

The the name, yeah. I mean, yeah, he has to be kind of like an incel character that you know strikes out with the girls, he's not cool with the guys. There's some kind of I say that the gyms, the locker room scene is a keeper, but there's so many different ways you could go with that. I mean, guys are brutal in the locker room, and I don't know, it could it could be you it could go really dark.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:26

I think it would have to be some kind of forced outing or something like that, like throwing him out naked, that girls plus him being like super closeted, but somebody convinces them to publicly in like a locker room situation, that would be a something like that, or some kind of catfish scenario where it's like, oh, somebody's pretending to be somebody, meet me here naked, and everybody's waiting there watching, or something along that line. I mean, that happened to me one time, and I torched an entire gym. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:03

I I was gonna say that you know, you have the locker room scene, but maybe like when let's say the character's name is Corey, you know, gets in the shower, you know, there's some really, really significant shrinkage, and you know, he doesn't measure up to all the other guys in the locker room, and somebody catches it and snaps a picture.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:26

Oh yeah, today you have to have cameras.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:28

Oh yeah, and it would uh you know, and then they would try to make they would try to make him feel better, but then you know, maybe he's prom king, but then while he's on stage, they like they pants him. Now everybody sees his little wee wee. His micro penis in front of his micropenis in front of the whole school for everyone to see.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:46

I don't have a baby dick. Or they or he shits his pants, right? In the beginning. And then at the end, they drop like a bucket of shit on him.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:54

Shit on him? Oh no. After they make him, yeah, burp the prom king.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:59

Yeah. Uh easy peasy.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:02

Pat and ending. I don't feel like it hits as hard as like some of the other stuff. Yeah, shit hits hard, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:11

Yeah, it would still be a crazy mom, though. That would be crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:17

Which kill was the best in this film?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:22

Uh when Billy and Chrissy get it, for me, I think the car exploded to me. That was probably the most rewarding, but then the mom scene were graphics.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:34

In my opinion, the mom scene has to be the winner.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:37

Yeah, I picked that one too.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:39

It's the most important, but like Charlie was saying, we probably cheered the most when Chris and Billy got it. Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

We didn't cheer when the mom had to get it too.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:50

Oh, oh yeah. Did you see she almost like it's almost like a sexual death for her? Like she was like almost like moaning and laughing during her dying scene.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:59

I was like, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:04

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:04

I wanted to talk about Hellraiser. I wanted to talk about Piper Laurie's performance, just one question. Maybe I could fit it in here, I guess. That's fine. Do it. Do you think that she was overacting? And I don't know because she was nominated for an Oscar for this. So, like, those people in that realm know, but she was really going for it with her line deliveries. Like, everything was so over the top.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:28

You said you sent that question to us to think about. And I might be on my own island here and say she brought exactly the energy that was necessary to make this character amazing. Yeah, I grants. Like it's she without her, like Carrie's not necessarily as believable, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:48

Like it's an over-the-top character, and they really exist, and she captured it.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:52

She was amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:54

Yeah. I guess because also she's a religious figure, right? In this movie, and preachers preach, they are over-the-top. They are trying to command the room, and that's what I think she was trying to do there. Even if uh, I think even in her own words, she thought this was like supposed to be a dark comedy.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:16

So she was trying to play it up a little bit, maybe, but you know, uh maybe she wasn't overacting, maybe she was doing I mean, yes, you're not wrong, she was overacting, but it was it came out perfect, though. Yeah, right? She brought the 11 energy when it was probably written for a nine, but like the 11 helped it, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:37

I guess she can't just be like, hey, I don't know, they're all gonna laugh at you.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:41

You know, try us to be like, they're all gonna laugh at you.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:45

There's people that I've like that scene when Carrie's getting ready for prom and she's already nervous, and like she's pacing around the room. She's like, I don't know, maybe he's not coming. You know, you know, there's still time to stay home. It's like it's great, you know. It's awful. I know people that have done stuff like that. You know, so very cringe.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:07

Yep. Yep. Let's see here. What's next? Could you escape this? Where did our victims go wrong? I guess not. You know, if you went to prom, you dead. Don't go to prom.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:22

I'm on bucket patrol, man. I'm always like looking for buckets.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:26

Yeah, right. You see, they even like bedazzled the bucket to match like the decor in the in the rest of the gym, so it kind of blended in. I thought that was a nice touch. Chef's kiss. You know, it wasn't just like a fisherman's pail just sitting up there, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:44

Assume we were faculty or student that had to go to that prom and things were going well. I mean, I'm sure some people left to go smoke weed or something, but like, yeah, no, I think high chances are we die.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:00

Probably. Yeah. They should have showed like a couple out in a car, like picking their heads up, like, what's going on? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:09

Like eat like eating a burger, eating a burger across the street.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:13

There is there's some eating going on. Oh. Who's the dumbest character here, guys?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:20

Billy. Billy.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:23

Billy is the don't don't call him that. Dumb shit. Dumb shit. Dumb shit. I mean, Chris is also dumb. Like, Chris, like, could have just sucked it up and done the PE punishment and like been like, okay, I'm a dick. That was a diff movie. Even though she was not alone. She wasn't even the first one to say plug it up, I don't think. So, like, teacher went hard on Chris. She came up with a plot. I mean, it's not that she's stupid, she just can't control her emotions or her impulses. Well, what about trying to run her down? That was pretty stupid. No. Like, I mean, they didn't know she's gonna stop a car, right? I go away. I hang low for a little while.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:09

Yeah. Can I nominate Margaret, the mom? Mrs. White. She's why I carry who she is.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:16

That's true. You that is the most evil character in this. Oh, there's a top.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:22

I mean, but is she also the dumbest for just like not telling your dog? You can be religious if you want, like, whatever. Even though she's batshit crazy religious. But like, not even telling your daughter, hey, you probably should expect to get your period, and here's what's gonna happen when you do. So don't freak out in the shower at school in front of all your friends. Like, like she is why Carrie is who she is. Oh, absolutely. But to stay.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:53

Yeah, dumb is it's Billy's probably, you know, an hat girl. What about Billy and Hatgirl?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:01

Norma?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:01

Yeah. Sure. Billy's gotta be the dumbest, but don't call him that to his face. He will smack the shit out of you. How about our body count here?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:11

Anybody want to take a hundred-two?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:16

I don't know how big classes were back then, but oh yeah. 75. Final answer for me.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:24

You're close. 72 confirmed kills according to the dead meat kill count. There are 62 from the fire, and then there is Tommy. They say that Tommy Ross died from getting hit with the bucket. I mean, I guess he would have died in the fire, too. Wait, the bucket had that. The dead meat kill count. Like there's no way of killing. They're the ones that do all the body counts. No way of knowing. The bucket hits him in the head, he's knocked out. Then there's a fire, so he definitely dies in the fire. Right. Yeah. But he he definitely dies there. Miss Collins, the principal, Chris and Billy, you know, Norma, Kenny, Freddie, Chris, they all die.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:07

Can we talk about the who's your least favorite character in this? Well, okay. Let me rephrase. The teacher. What's his name? The freaking beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:18

I don't remember the name, but yeah, even use picket on Carrie when Carrie said that he liked Tom, like Tommy's poem. Even that guy was like, that was a criticism or whatever he says.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:30

Like America, the how beautiful for spacious skies. Beautiful. I'm like, what an asshole.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:36

Yeah, that teacher sucked. That guy sucked too.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:40

Yeah. Bad. And the yeah. And Tommy told him. He said, You yeah. How about a gore score for this one? I'm gonna I wrote this one down as a two. Charlie? I mean, blood. There's a lot of knives that go in, but very like even when Kerry gets stabbed, the knife isn't still hanging out, it's just a blood spot on her dress. I didn't really so I can be talked into one above that, but I was thinking like a four because of the stabbing.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:13

Stabbing's always pretty gory. Mom getting impaled and stuff like that. And then, you know, the bucket of blood is a bucket of blood.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:22

It's literally a bucket of blood.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:24

Right. I mean, I split the difference. I said three. You want to go with three? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Three it is. Some fun facts. Some fun facts. Carrie was Stephen King's first novel, and he was paid$2,500 for the rights to it for this to be made into a film. He got robbed. Talked about the St. Sebastian statue. The book Carrie reads in the library, The Secret Science Pine Miracles, is in fact a real book, and the telekinesis part is really in the book. Let's see. De Palma, he wanted Betty Buckley, to s who was uh Miss Collins, to slant to slap Nancy Allen for real because he wasn't getting the reaction he wanted out of the scene. Apparently, she slapped her up to 30 times to get the case that he wanted.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:15

I'd be pissed too by the end of this one. I would be dumping puckets of blood on people too, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:19

Yep. That's some who is the shining director, Ridley Scott?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:23

No, shining is yeah, standing up.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:26

That's some Kubrick bullshit right there. Um notorious, notorious for that shit for doing like a hundred to get some.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:34

Yeah, but like he wasn't hitting people though. But like, yeah, it was it was that many cuts for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:39

Yeah. Sissy SpaceX, she narrates the audiobook of Carrie, if you were into that kind of thing. That's cool. Talked about oh, as well as William Cott auditioned for Luke Skywalker, Amy Irving auditioned for Princess Leia in Star Wars. Talked about the apparently, I guess the people that died in the fire, there were a few escaped, so that Sue wasn't necessarily the sole survivor. I guess they mentioned this in in the sequel where they're like, you know, I guess Sue they said Sue and her couple of her friends, her friends were the only or Sue and a few others were the only ones that made it. So I guess she's not necessarily the only uh sole survivor from this film, but there's that. Miss Collins' name in the novel is Miss Dejardin, but I guess De Palma felt like Collins was easier to say. But in the but in the remake, Deja Den is what the uh gym teacher goes by, Miss Dejardin. So take that. Bates, Bates High School and Bates Packing, those are nods to Psycho, as well as the screeching sound Carrie when she uses her power, that screeching sound, we talked about that. Charlie brought that up. 2022, Carrie was selected to the National Film Registry in the Library of Congress for cultural significance. And then the arm, the arm that comes out of the ground at the end, is Sissy SpaceX arm. They did not use a double, they put her under the ground in a box to do the scene to shoot the trick. So she uh that was her. Didn't use a double.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:16

Are you sure it wasn't the guy that's hands were used at the end of Friday the 13th?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:22

No, it wasn't Tom Savini. Nope.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:24

Are you sure it wasn't Tom Savini with Fingernail Polish?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:29

Nope. And then this is gonna be a uh this is gonna be a miniseries on Amazon Prime coming in October, directed by Mike Flanagan.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:38

Love Mike Flanagan. Absolutely love Mike Flanagan.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:42

Summer Howl. I don't know really who that was, but she plays the titular Carrie. She was a child actor in two of the Chucky movies, Curse and Cult, I believe. She's been in some indie horror. Matthew Lillard's gonna play the principal here. Samantha Sloyan is gonna play Carrie's mother. She was Dr. Penelope in Grey's Anatomy. If that means anything to you, I think it might to you, Charlie.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:07

Charlie's a big Grays guy. I watched it, but Oh, you did? Some of it. And then uh the dog soldiers guy in it, Grey's Anatomy, for a while.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:17

Oh yeah. And then Anna Midthunder from Prey is gonna play the gym teacher, Miss Desjardin, in the miniseries. So they're gonna stretch this out into eight episodes or ten episodes or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:30

So I feel bad for Mike already.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:32

We'll see how that goes.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:34

He thought the 20-minute prom scene was too much, but this is eight episodes. You're not gonna he's not gonna make it, guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:42

It's gonna be one of those double to be continued episodes, just a prom scene.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:46

Mike, did you see Haunting of Pill House and the Bly Manor one? No, Mad Madison's.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:56

I think Dr. Sleep is the only plan again, I think I've seen.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:59

Oh, well, Dr. Sleep's amazing too, but the shows are great. They are, they really are.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:05

Okay, check them out. And then you guys got any other fun facts? Those are all I got.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:11

I got nothing.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:13

No. I'm looking at my facts right now, and I think uh we hit them all. All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:18

Horror Hall of Fame time, guys. First film of the second half of our first year. Brian De Palma. Is he a Hall of Fame director? Yes, but not for horror, I don't think. Not for this, yeah. His other films are thrillers or crime sagas, they're not really horror. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:37

Like we said, if if I I do circle back to Charlie's if Spielberg isn't in for Jaws, a horror tent pole, then you know, you gotta bring it pretty hard.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:50

Yeah. Is the killer a Hall of Famer? Which kind of brings me to my next question is who is the villain? In Carrie.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:01

Who isn't the villain in Carrie? That's a better question. But is this the first one that could be that could live in female protagonists and mortal villain at the same time?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:16

I don't know. No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:17

I know we can't we haven't done it. We haven't discussed doing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:21

So my theory is the protagonist. My feeling is that you can be the protagonist. You you you can be both. But there's a line that you cross that you become an irredeemable good guy. Like Darth Vader killed billions of people. And at the end of the movie, he redeemed, he doesn't redeem himself, but he helps kill the emperor. But then you have to kill him off. Just like Kylo Wren killed billions of people and then helped to stop the Emperor again. And people I watch it with are like, oh, they should have let him live. And I'm like, no, he's an irredeemable character. He can't live, he can do a good thing, but he's always that dude who killed a billion people and blew up planets. So Carrie is the character that was picked on, who is kind of the reverse. Where she was picked on and she was the good guy for a long time, but then she flipped and then just killed a bunch of innocent people.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:24

Using your analogy is weird because Darth Vader starts off and Kylo both start off to the audience as villains, right? Right. And then they flip. And this one it's the reverse, where it's like we're starting off as protagonists for 90% of the movie until boom.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:42

It's like in Game of Thrones. Right, Demarius. Yeah, she burned down the one city. Irredeemable character, she has to die.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:52

Alright. So I've seen it. Well, I've that also means So I say no. She can't be a Hall of Fame villain, though. The villain can, yeah. The mom can be a Hall of Fame villain to me. So sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:05

I mean, I'm I'm also thinking like it's kind of like if you call what's the is it the character Fred in Hellraiser? Frank? Frank. Larry? Yeah, no, if you it's like calling Frank the villain in Hellraiser, right? Like Pinhead's the villain. So it's like in this one, it's like, yeah, Carrie's mom's a villain, but Carrie's the one doing it, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:29

Like, even if it's out of her control. I think Frank is more of a villain in the classic sense than Finhead in part one. Just because like he did this.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:43

But he's also trying to be like walk the line of like, I'm doing this for you. I need to be with you. And like, I don't know. He was lying.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:51

Yeah. I like it. I like it though.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:54

I don't think we can put Carrie in both boxes.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:56

You can't do it, huh?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:58

And I don't think I I don't think that Billy and Chris are important.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:03

But they're important. They're important.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:05

They're nasty, but they they give Carrie the the puzzle box. They give Carrie the tool to let her carry out what the fuck happens if she kills 72 people. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:18

So then do we put her in as killable?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:22

I would put Carrie in as well. Mortal or immortal. She comes out of the ground. No, that's a dream. Yeah. Is it a dream? I'd say as as a mortal villain, Carrie is a hole.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:34

Short list. I mean about short people. People who have never seen this know exactly what happened to Carrie. They know she went to the prom, they know she got hit with the blood, and then went telekinetic. So like she's transcended like just horror fans for sure. Yeah. Their knowledge. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:55

And then I don't know. Mrs. White. Carrie's mom. I mortal villain.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:02

She is just gonna go one villain here. Carrie's the villain. She's absolutely one of the most evil characters. And that brings me to something I'd love to talk about. Is what Stephen King had to have the worst bullies ever growing up, or witness the worst because he doesn't play around, whether it be it or Stand By Me or Carrie. Like the villains in Stephen King stories are truly evil. Henry Bowers and it is ridiculous. Carving their names on fat kids or whatever they're doing. It's like, what the f yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:37

That's more than just like, you know, giving someone a wedgie. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:41

And like if you read enough of the books, you realize there's something wrong in the towns that they live in, and that creates anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:48

But for another day, guys. Why is Carrie not in dairy? Oh, I didn't mean to say it like that. Why does this one not take place in dairy? Or does the book take place in dairy? Do we know? Don't think the book you read it.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:01

I'll have to read it again. I read it as just a curious kid kind of thing. It was a shorter one. I read it after Pet Cemetery, I believe. Like it's not the first one I read because obviously I wasn't even born until 81. So the order they came out in didn't really matter to me, right? I just found them on like stepmom my stepmom's bookcase, or yeah. Sounds like a movie in itself. My stepmom's bookcase. Stepmom's dryer.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:29

Oh god.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:30

Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:33

Alright, moving on from that. There are no heroes or protagonists in this film, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:39

Oh, Sue tries so hard. Yeah, but she's not. It's not altruistic because she's trying to make up for some bad shit. She's not doing it. Yeah. You know. Yeah, and it's not Hall of Fame or even if it is. Yeah, Miss Collins is kind of a protector in a certain way.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:56

But yeah, no, I agree. No, no category worthy.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:01

No. And then movie props from this. I have a few. I have a few. I have uh her crown, the prom queen crown. Okay. The bucket. Maybe. Yeah. I have the bucket of blood. I have the statue. The tan Sebastian statue. No. The one I'd really want is the cross at the end, the for sale sign with Carrie White Burns in Hell.

unknown 1:34:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:28

It looks definitely a prop that anybody could pick up.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:32

It would pair nicely with Terry eats shit. That was the city. Yeah, it's written on the door. It's like a dang.

unknown 1:34:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:42

They're cleaning it off while the girls are getting getting reamed out by Miss Collins. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:47

Whoa. What's happening to them?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:49

Whoa. Reamed. Not reamed. That kind of movie. Not rimmed? Not rimmed. The sledgehammer from the pig slaughter?

unknown 1:34:57

Nah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:58

It's a fun prop, but it falls in that like uh utility shed kind of. Are we gonna be able to get that at us?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:04

Yeah. But the bucket you could pick out, they bedazzled it. It's not just a bucket. You know, it looks like it looks like a prom night bucket.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:13

The pig mural. That was pretty cool, but that's a big ass prop if that's a prop.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:19

Yeah, that's too big. That's a building. Eyes cool, Jim. Yeah, I definitely think the cross, the bucket. I don't know. Do you want to throw the crown or the statue in there?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:32

The Saint Sebastian statue has to be in there. That thing is the glowing eyes. That thing, like I see that in my dreams every once in a while. It's not good, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:42

The crown or no? Let me see if I can find some pictures of the crown. It's a tiara.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:52

It's not huge.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:53

Is that like I'm wondering if that's what kind of inspired like the Courtney Love, the whole album cover and stuff. But that is unknowable.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:04

I don't know. Carrie does not play take place in Derry. It takes place in Chamberlain, Maine.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:12

Yeah, he loves Maine. Write what you know. Write what you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:18

Interesting. Alright. That's uh that's it, guys. Final thoughts on Carrie. Two thumbs up.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:28

So it's a bloody tiara after the pig blood, so maybe I had it ranked on IMDb as an eight. I've bumped that up to a nine after watching it this last time with a critical eye, I guess. Okay. Um no notes. I mean sissy, not your wife, but sissy space was pretty damn close to perfect for this role. I don't yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:00

Yeah, really good. I I gave it a four out of five. It's really great, really, really great. I think maybe just a little too long for like one part, I guess. But that's just my minority opinion, I suppose.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:15

I I know what you're saying though, like especially because you've probably seen it a handful of times, right? So like now that like we know it's coming, it's almost like, come on, come on.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:26

Like that first time is come on, do it, do it now, come on, pull the roll. I'm right here, right there, do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:37

Come on, they're gonna laugh at you.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:43

Um I think when we get into the doing the Arnold impression, it's time to plug it up, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:50

Plug her up, plug her up. Oh god. Can you imagine? Okay, say you did not read this book and you watch the movie. Is there a part of you saying Sue's gonna save her from this happening? Like, there's gotta be. Like, is this gonna happen? No, something's gonna come in.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:12

Yeah, hard for me to say because I knew what was happening before I saw it from the start.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:17

I mean, if if that was like your first time ever hearing about Carrie, because that was what, two years after the book was written, you go see this thing by Brian De Palma. You're like, okay, Tommy's gonna push her out of the way, or Sue's gonna push her out of the way. You don't know what's happening from there. But no, I bet the trailer let you know more than what should have, probably. Yeah, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:39

I mean, I'm gonna watch the trailer when we get off of here so I can drop it into the top of the intro here.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:46

But yeah, all right, but yeah, I got nothing else to say, but it was it was great.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:50

Yeah, all right, guys. That was Carrie 1976, 50th anniversary this year in November. The next host, guys, is is all of us. We have an all hands tent pole selection. Uh first is our third tent pole selection, and uh, we'll have a a beautiful guest joining us if I don't say so myself. This is basic. Tune in and find out. It's gonna be scream. We're gonna do scream. This was a 50th anniversary pick. Scream is having its 30th anniversary right now. Scream 7 came out about a month ago in theaters, so it's topical. Don't want to say much about Scream 7. I haven't seen it yet. I'm trying to stay away from it as much as I can, but you know, we'll get across that bridge when we get to it. All right, so Scream coming up on Monday, I believe. We all fall under the weather again, or if I fall under the weather again, like I did.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:50

Oh, yeah, quick ap quick apologies. We've had like Easter and some illnesses. So this one's coming out on a Wednesday instead of a yeah, no apologies, no one's paying us. No, they've been waiting.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:05

You're welcome for our service.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:06

On baited breath.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:08

Yeah, they've been waiting.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:10

No mini this week. You'll be fine. I'm really apologizing to myself because I look forward to listening to these, and I've just been like, those guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:19

Yeah, those guys. I miss them. Oh well. Life happens, you know. What can you do?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:25

Make sure to smash that like button, guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:28

Yep. All right. Thank you for listening to the All Guts The Glory podcast. If you like what we do here, best thing you do is rate and review wherever you get your podcast. If you listen on Spotify, make sure you're also following us so you don't miss your favorite horror movies being broken down as we release them. Uh, like I said, no mini coming up, but we have Scream coming up next on our Monday release. So, for Justin or Charlie, I'm Mike. This was Carrie. Plug it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:00

Plug it up, we're all gonna laugh at you.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:05

This is all got so gory. Andy, take us home. This is friendly.