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From Beyond (1986) Stuart Gordon's Under-appreciated Treasure | Charlie's Picks

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If you like Re-Animator, then you'll love From Beyond. If you don't, the hell is your problem? The guys analyze an under the radar classic that was released on the heels of Re-Animator, with some of the same cast, and director. Modeled loosley after an H.P. Lovecraft story...who turns out, wasn't a great guy. 

From Beyond is directed by Stuart Gardon, and stars Jeffrey Combs, Barbara Crampton, and Ken Foree.

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All Guts, So Gory is a weekly horror movie podcast hosted by Mike, Charlie, and Justin. Each week, one host picks a horror film of their choice—anything from cult classics and slashers to supernatural chillers and modern gore-fests—for the trio to dissect. With a mix of sharp insights, dark humor, and plenty of passion for the genre, All Guts, So Gory delivers lively discussions that celebrate the bloody, the bizarre, and everything in between. If you love horror movies, this is the podcast to sink your teeth into. 

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I have seen beyond the bounds of infinity and have drawn down demons from the stars. I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness.

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Yeah, but how do you explain this hard on coming up next?

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All guts so gory presents 1986 from beyond.

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Every journey begins in the mind. A flight of imagination. A vision of what might lie across the universe. Or within the deepest regions of the subconscious. Dr. Edward Pretorius is about to embark on the structures of Germany. From beyond. The Mad and Macabre. Oh what monster could have. I'm just gonna bash your free. Playtime's over. You don't know what death is. Nice and dice.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome to All Guts O Gory. Our movie today in an hour and 25 minutes from 1986 is From Beyond. This movie is loosely based on the 1920 HP Lovecrafts short story with the same title, and I do mean loosely. I read the short story thinking, you know, it's gonna be like 20, 30 pages. It was like four. Four and a four. It's not. Dude, I could read a short story.

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It's not a lot. Mike's gonna be like this reading stuff. No, right?

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Hi, it's me. Charlie, I'm hosting today. This is my pick, and joined as always by Justin and Mike. And today, instead of just coming in at the end, we got Atticus, and he's gonna be with us for the whole movie because he loved it so much.

SPEAKER_02

I was hoping you messed it up and like Mike got on you too, but all right.

SPEAKER_01

So this movie, uh, it came out in the 80s. Mike did Chopping Mall, and I immediately I thought of From Beyond because it has Barbara Crampton in it. Yeah, and showing up for Crampton. She's a scream queen. I'll give it to her. You know, she's been in a lot of movies, but it has it's a it's based on HP Lovecraft m book or short story, and they've done a lot of movies on stories by HP Lovecraft. Um some of them are really, really good, like uh Digon. Okay, that one you just got, you need to watch that. It's pretty good. And they're all low budget.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, but they have like I'm pretty sure they made a call of Cthulhu. They made a reanimator.

SPEAKER_01

Reanimator, yeah. They're all they're all pretty solid. I like I like his work. I've read some of his other stuff, and was it Stuart Gordon Mountains of Madness. He loves that, yeah. Stuart Gordon loves the Lovecraft stuff. Yeah, he does a lot of it.

SPEAKER_03

Who is this guy? Stuart. You got a simple Mike here? I don't read simple. No, I no, I know Stuart Gordon. For me, Justin. Yeah, remind Mike who the author of books are, because yeah. I've heard the name HP Lovecraft, like if I told you I'd read it.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so early 1900s, he was 1890 was born, yeah, but yeah, created modern interdimensional uh color from another color out of space. From another mother, color from another mother, yikes color out of space. You know, a lot of this stuff that we have today is based on his imagination, his short stories, his books. He's got a lot of stuff out there, and it's yeah, it's a lot of it's pretty fucking creepy.

SPEAKER_03

Name horror, like sci-fi related, yeah, like bigger concept like than horror, right?

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But like names like Edgar Allan Poe, but like the old world.

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I would say all that stuff is based on stuff that he wrote.

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So name name another author like in the horror genre, they were probably influenced by Lovecraft, right?

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Like the guy who made Frankenstein at the mummy.

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That would have been before. Exactly. But Stephen King, Clav Barker, Guillermo del Toro, Neil Gaiman all list him as an influence. Well, so very good.

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What did you think of the movie, guys?

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What um we done with are done with Lovecrafty and stuff. We'll do that later. We'll touch on it a little bit. Okay, okay. I this is my second watch of this film, and it is a treat. Booby. It is settled down now.

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It is it is hold your freaking check.

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In a weird way, it's kind of high concept. It's it's you know, in in another way, the body horror, just just a great mix of familiar faces from great franchises like Reanimator, Stuart Gordon's there. It's gross, it's it's it's a horny movie, and it's a it's a fun ride, right? People get exfoliated.

SPEAKER_03

Is that the way this movie's so horny it's got four head boners? It does go ahead. Five head boners.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so is this the first time you saw it?

SPEAKER_03

This is the first watch for me, and this was great. I don't know how I missed it because I've seen reanimator so many times, and you know, obviously know about Barbara Crampton and uh combs and just I mean, just seen them in other movies. And I don't know how uh you know Ken Foray, obviously, and just I don't know how I missed this one. It just wasn't on TV a lot, and it's coming out in '86. It's not one I ever saw like running on the running on HBO Cinemax or just wasn't one that I even maybe even remember seeing on the shelf at the video store. I just don't remember seeing it hearing about it. But Reanimator seeing quite a bit everywhere, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Everywhere. Yeah, you're it's in the shadow, definitely after Reanimator, so I don't know how I've just never seen this, or it's never popped up in my algorithm.

SPEAKER_03

Like, if you like Reanimator, you like From Beyond, because that's never even happened.

SPEAKER_01

Like, and the post show looks pretty stupid. It's Pretorious with the like the crazy no no, not that one. Like if you go into uh IMDB, oh I show the one with like it's like a draw, like a it's like almost modern like an eye missing. Yeah, because it sucks people's eyes out, right?

SPEAKER_03

And it doesn't look like anything, really finger popping in eye holes. We're not finger popping each other's eye holes.

SPEAKER_01

All right, uh Atticus, what do you think?

SPEAKER_05

So I thought first time, right? First time. Yeah, first time seeing a lot of this stuff. So it was I mean, the first thought I had was like, what the fuck? So like it was a second. Yeah, I recognized like the guy from the awful movie Dawn of the Dead. Yeah.

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Oh I mean, what's his name? Jeffrey Combs.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, Jeffrey Combs, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's a good actor. Oh, we've seen. We've you've kind of met him. Weren't you in the picture with us, or no? You skipped that photo.

SPEAKER_05

But like I was like there. I was just like hanging out. I don't know who he's done.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, uh, so your sister was the one that was like hanging out of this table and like he didn't have a line, so like we got to talk to Bruce Abbott and Jeffrey Combs for a long time. And even Barbara came over and talked to you. I don't want to brag you. Barbara would still get a call from me. If I was single. If I was single. Yeah, it might be single. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, so it reminded me of the thing with the body, like the very thing type. Yeah, especially when like he kind of like split open because that reminded me a lot of like when the chest like exactly just like that.

SPEAKER_02

He pandomed his tort uh his torso opening up and closing, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

I mean, like not everyone knew that.

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So nobody knew that.

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SPEAKER_05

Uh and like there was a giant worm, which also reminded me of Tremors.

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Or Dune. I mean, not that bad. Or Beetlejuice. Well, it's a baby dune worm. I'll get to that. Baby Dune.

SPEAKER_05

Which was cool. I didn't like how he looked without eyebrows, though.

SPEAKER_01

He got weird, weird. Yeah. And I I didn't homework it out too much because I'm a wild card. But he looked like he they shaved his fucking head and his eyebrows.

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I feel like it was strategic in order to put that next layer of prosthetics on. Yeah, it was. I feel like the big bonus.

SPEAKER_05

I was just like, why did Barbara get so horny?

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Like the pineal gland. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05

The pineal gland does that.

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You can't control what happens when your pineal is flaring.

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Here's the perfect work in. The pineal gland is a small pine cone-shaped endocrine gland in the brain that primarily produces melatonin, a hormone regulating sleep-wake cycles, your circadian rhythm, by increasing production at night and decreasing it during the day. It plays a crucial role in maintaining biological rhythms and supporting reproductive development. So basically So we do use it. Yeah, but it doesn't make you horny.

SPEAKER_03

They made it sound like it's a part of the brain, like you're they did say it was like the appendix of the brain. They make it sound like it's just there, and he's like, I'm gonna unlock this like a six-third.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And the only sexual thing about it is it's not sexual at all. As is, as is, Charlie, you don't. So you go from adolescence to adult, and somehow that got twisted into well, it gives everybody a boner. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

How do you explain this one that I've been an hour talking about it? Explain this.

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Alright. Okay, yeah, they made it sound like we don't use it like it's something that he's unlocking for the first time. Right. But yeah. Okay. So we do use it. It's the real thing.

SPEAKER_01

It's not it's not true. Okay. No, good. So this came out in 1986.

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What were you doing in 1986, Atticus? So I think I was in the well, I think I was from beyond. Like I was just somewhere. I was floating around somewhere. Yeah. Waiting.

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Yeah. Biding your time.

SPEAKER_05

I may be watching. This may not be my first watch. I could have watched it already. Who knows?

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Could have been in it.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It's deep. Might? Yeah, 86. Now I'm two years old. But yeah. I have a feeling when this came out, Charlie, you were probably hiding boners when you got called up with a black boy. Hell yeah. Isn't that the worst?

SPEAKER_02

Those are the worst. The ones that popped up at the end of study hall when you're about to switch classes. I'm like, damn it. Right. Anyway. Justin? Um, I was also too young to watch this. I was five-ish at the time. It was October of 86, you said? Oh yeah, definitely a five-year-old.

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Um, actually, I think it came out in yeah, 24 October 86.

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I had a smoking jacket and like a pipe that blew bubbles. It blew bubbles, though.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Yeah. 86 is my senior year, a banner year for horror. Aliens, chopping mall. I saw both the 40th anniversary yeah. Those are great, great, great, great movies. Another 40th anniversary for From Beyond. But I don't think I saw this one in theaters because it was such a small run. Uh, we'll get to the budget and the disaster of how much this m this great movie made. But I yeah, I think it was one of those like Skinemax, Showtime, After Dark horror movies that came out on I watched maybe in like 88, 89, 90s, somewhere in there.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, could have actually been put on the adult channel. Who knows?

SPEAKER_02

This is this definitely I don't know because I was five, but I've from what I've read and heard, like we were a lot more conservative, you know, through in the 80s, the early 80s, I would imagine. So like this is one that like people didn't flock to because it dealt with sexual stuff, right? I I disagree. I disagree.

SPEAKER_01

Having lived in that time frame, you would we were uh the evangelical evangelicals shut up and kept to themselves. So they didn't until the nineties, because Reagan tried to bring them out, and it was the nineties with Bush where they really came out and started putting the kibosh on stuff, you know, the media and stuff like that. So the 70s and the 80s were like the the far left, the progressives were in Hollywood, were getting their way and and putting out almost anything they wanted except for the movie rating system kept people out of X. And NC17 didn't come until later, PG 13 didn't come until later. It was G, PG, R X. I thought we had course illegal.

SPEAKER_02

I thought we had course corrected from like the 60s and 70s, so not yet.

SPEAKER_01

No, I mean the 70s was Wild West. The 80s was they figured out we're gonna make money on this, we're gonna put some boobs out there, we're gonna show a lot of gross stuff. That's true, and see what we can get away with. I do love gratuitous 80s stuff. Uh I know your first watch, your first watch.

SPEAKER_02

My second. When was your first? Like within the past five, uh, within the past five to ten. It was one like like Mike was mentioning, right? It slipped past me for so long, and I was like, how have I not seen this? So that happened a little sooner, though. For me, this was 27.

SPEAKER_01

Like a lot. You have this one, don't you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've seen it a few times. I watched it like three or four times just getting ready for this podcast. But this fit right into my catalog from the 80s, you know. It was just a great, not a great movie. It was a good movie. It was watchable, it was re-watchable, and it kind of had everything you needed. You got in, you got out, had a good start, had a good end. I don't know. I feel like it never drags.

SPEAKER_03

I think I feel like it is right from this point to this point, but it doesn't jump around much, like some movies tend to do. There's not a slow part.

SPEAKER_02

I wouldn't argue if you wanted to call it great. I would say it took big swings, it it did some awesome effects. Like, I would say it some of it looked a little hokey, but like that's the time you gotta forgive it, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but it's but it's practical effects, and I love practical effects. If they made this today with CGI, it'd be fucking terrible. All practical. The visuals are cool. I love body horror, so this was right up my alley with the the gross factor. If you like, I mean things like the thing are gross. This is like gross like that. You were you know, mentioned that Atticus. Like the acting is top-notch. I know Ken Foray kind of really goes for it a few times. But like, I mean, but the acting, I mean look at yourself! Jeffrey Combs is so good. That close-up shot where he's like, he bit his head off like a gingerbread man. Like, that's so fucking good. Yeah, I I even thought gingerbread line's a little cheese ball, but it was so good. Barbara Cranton's a great fucking actress, and she looks great, right? And yeah, still working on it. Good chemistry among all of them.

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Great chemistry. Easy story to follow.

SPEAKER_02

We're probably doing all the acting stuff now, but could you see a different path in which Jeffrey Combs took more of a comedic route? Because like some of his stuff is reminding me of like young Jim Carrey for some weird, like some of the facial stuff.

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I get that, I can't and I like he the stuff he did in the 80s, reanimator, brighter reanimator from beyond. Came back in like the Frighteners in like nine, it was amazing. He he was shooting. Yeah, he's like Bruce Campbell. He he could have done a bunch of other stuff, but I mean, but he didn't complain about it. It doesn't seem like solid working since, so good for him. He's got a good career.

SPEAKER_03

Bruce Campbell's always been the Jim Carrey comp for me. Like I feel like he was like Jim Carrey could have played Yeah, it's like a sliding door situation where like he's beating himself up, he's like on the floor, like inching his way across the floor with like one arm and just making funny faces, like his like a rubber face, like just he can contort his face in so many ways. Like Bruce Campbell, Jim Carrey. That's that's my comp.

SPEAKER_05

I feel like if like they were to go in a different film way, they could easily switch into like one goes to comedy, one goes to horror. I think that's what happened with Bruce Campbell and Jim Carrey.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. If his in the 80s, I'd have been like, God damn, whatever happened to that guy? He was really good. He was he was on it for a while, he was there for a minute.

SPEAKER_02

I think Atticus has to bounce out here. So what else should we? Should we should we ask him a couple uh rating type questions and stuff to get his uh best kill? Best kill. There's only there's not really a lot of kills.

SPEAKER_03

Eaten or eaten, bitten head off, or eyeball sucked out.

SPEAKER_01

Or being the first eaten. You can see the first bees from another dimension. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So I'd have to but we saw it later. We saw another version of it. Would you recommend it to friends? That is that's the thing about this a good movie, but it's like you have to be careful because I probably recommend it to friends and like because they might think you're weird.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, they may think I'm a widow and if you like reanimator, you'll like it.

SPEAKER_03

Right, there you go. Right, there you go. If you don't, that's you have to probe first. Yeah, then maybe wait. What? No one's seen. Oh, yeah, maybe not. But okay. But yeah, it's kind of like if you like the thing, try this out. What would you give this?

SPEAKER_05

Okay, so body horror is never gonna be like five stars for me. Because like I'm I like psychological more. It's never gonna like the thing, I rated a four. That's the highest I'll go.

SPEAKER_02

So I'll go out of five 3.5 here.

SPEAKER_01

Alright, you gotta keep it below the thing. I I respect that.

SPEAKER_05

Like, the thing is such you can't top the thing.

SPEAKER_02

No, like no, it's that's a hard one. How about favorite and least favorite characters?

SPEAKER_05

Okay, so I like Barbara. I didn't like the other scientist. He was a weirda proterior.

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Hairy guy, hairy naked guy. No, no one does.

SPEAKER_05

Especially after he turned in like like the first thing where like he was trying to make out like Barbara and his like thing like opened up and like again and it was like and I had another alien head. Like it kind of reminded me of those aliens from Space Balls. There's like Spaceballs. Yes, so you remember those little aliens?

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No. I won't. We're talking about space balls or the one with Morning Weaver that we talked about last podcast.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, like Alien. They had the show. No, no, not Alien.

SPEAKER_01

They had that show Galaxy Quest. Galaxy Quest.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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The little shortcut.

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You're talking about the little thing, the little swimmers that bite the face?

SPEAKER_05

No, I'm talking about like his head looked like one of the aliens, like from something. I don't remember. Okay.

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The thing. I mean, a lot of this stuff looked like unknowable. Lightning less. You're kinda on a roll.

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Except for Traculus. Alright. How's this compared to where's the top half or bottom half of movies? Uh top half. Okay.

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Middle. Middle half. Oh, middle half.

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There's no such thing.

SPEAKER_05

Thank you for having me on. Yeah, thanks for being here. Thanks for fun playing pickleball.

SPEAKER_01

Alright. So, movie taglines on the poster. And in get out of here. And said in the movie, humans are such easy prey. Yeah, they are. Right? And the other one is everything is alive and hungry. And I assume they're talking about this other dimension, which is Well, they're talking about this hard on food.

SPEAKER_03

Humans are such easy prey. Sounds like it could have been like the predator tag.

SPEAKER_01

Could have been a lot of stuff, but it's a good tagline. We we don't hate ones. The short ones are usually off by a little bit, but this one kind of does it fit though.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Nobody's getting hunted in this one, but all right. So released 24 October 1986. What's with you in the European format for your dates?

SPEAKER_01

No, it's military. Oh good. It is, man. Thank you for your service. Estimated your work for my service. See how I worked it in. Yeah. Justin had to ask. Right, you had to. I mean, you blame him. Budget. Estimated four and a half million. Wow.

SPEAKER_03

For 86, that's a lot of money. Yeah. They're like, Reanimator was cool. Here's more money.

SPEAKER_02

For 86, that was a lot of like probably direct calls where it was like, I need some money. It was like probably shoestring type budget, too, though, where it's like you're calling your friends, and I don't think this was like studio money.

SPEAKER_03

Probably cost 10 grand to set up that bondage room.

SPEAKER_01

But then okay, here's the funny one. So the gross US and Canada was 1.25 billion. Right? So already they're they they're losing three and a quarter mil, right? And then the gross worldwide came in at that exact number, but with 296 more dollars on it. Like outside of the US Canada, it was released in the UK, Spain, so 75 people saw this movie. Maybe in 1986. I'm trying to think about four bucks, okay.

SPEAKER_02

So two, three bucks, depending on what country. So maybe a hundred people saw this movie.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Which was kind of weird. I I you know I don't like homework, so I didn't dig in too much.

SPEAKER_02

My guess is it was a single weekend, not many theaters.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I mean, it did like a half a mil the first opening weekend, which would have made you think it's gonna no, it kind of peered out.

SPEAKER_03

It also was out at the same time as Crocodile Dundee, Peggy Sue Got Married, and The Color of Money. Right. So you got a Scorsese movie, you got Peggy Sue Got Married, I haven't seen it, but this was before Crocodile Dundee was a lot of movies come out as 80s as it gets.

SPEAKER_01

Like it was a big deal in the 80s, somehow go up against. The big ones, the ones that go on to be nominated for the Academy Awards, Golden Globe. And and I don't know, like miracle? Like, is it Jesus? Who they they make hundreds of millions of dollars and blow the competition. Right, they connect somehow, right?

SPEAKER_02

This one did not do that. This is before. Correct me if I'm wrong, Charlie. You were around, but uh I'll do a deep dive one day. But like there were no 20 Plexus back then. This was before the megaplexes.

SPEAKER_01

They had started like the one in my hometown. Crawley, Louisiana. Shout out, Rice Fast. Crowley.

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Woo woo!

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Woo woo.

SPEAKER_01

Gentle. They they had an older theater downtown, right? Which was the classic, like you've seen it in every in a lot of horror movies. You walk in, there's the candy, the popcorn, the soda, and the bathrooms are on the left and the right, and then there's a left and right entrance into the one-screen movie theater.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And in the early 80s, they opened up one, and it was like a fourplex. Kind of like the start of what we see now. Like what's the St. Clair movie theater, the one that turned out? That was a 10 became.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that was a 10. Oh, it was a ten. Okay. It was a 10. So the Lincoln might be a good couple of things. That was in a small town, too. So the Lincoln is a historical thing where it's exactly what you're describing. There's an upstairs, though, with a couple theaters. We think there's a downstairs with a couple. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So did not do well in the box office or anywhere else.

SPEAKER_02

I just think it's tough to like that probably played after nine o'clock one time in each theater across the country. Right.

SPEAKER_01

It probably did not or maybe played in like 25 theaters in LA, San Francisco, Dallas, and New York, maybe Miami.

SPEAKER_02

But with my like, if there's four theaters, you're gonna put out the Crocodile Dundees all day long and the Peggy Seuss, and then you're gonna show one screening of this, probably for what you thought was the audience. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, let's move on to casting crew. Okay, directed by Stuart Gordon, R.I.P. Died in March 2020. You look at his body work and reanimator from beyond Fortress with Christopher Lambert.

SPEAKER_02

He did Fortress? Yeah. I liked Fortress.

SPEAKER_01

I did too. Stupid. I mean, he did like The Dentist. He did episodes. He was he did 66 episodes of Honey I Shrunk the Kids the TV show. I don't even know. What? Same, right? Same. He didn't love people from Beyond and Honey I Shrunk the Kids. He did dolls. Space Truckers, Castle Freak, Castle Freak, Body Snatchers, the newer one with can't remember her name. The guy likes nudity. I would go check out that. Not me.

SPEAKER_03

Snatch and Body Snatchers.

SPEAKER_02

Do you hear that joke? We can't we have to acknowledge Mike's joke of put the snatch and body snatchers. I'm sorry. I had to give it credit where credit was due.

SPEAKER_01

And then there's the triple X version from behind. No, that is not true. I mean that. I mean Pat Penning. No, wait, great. 55 G-Burger, 55 prize. Okay. So yeah, there's our director. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02

You did mention Stuart, obviously. We're talking about Stu. I call him Stu. Right. No, I don't. We're we're close. So it is important to realize that HP Lovecraft was not heavy on the sex at all. Heavy on the sexual charge. So Charlie mentioned it was a four, four page. It was a short story. Short, short. Short. And there was no need, like there was no like sexual stuff in it. But Stuart Gordon and the writer of this do tend to like, you know, almost what's the word? Exploitation, right? Like they they love that. So it's important to say that uh Stuart is definitely down with the down to clown.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. I read that he when he was in film school, I think it went somewhere like in Wisconsin, he did a stage play of a psychedelic version of Peter Pan in the 60s, and very like politically charged and anti-war messages throughout and stuff like that. He got arrested for obscenity charges while his for his play. I'm like, I want to see that version of Peter Pan. He got arrested for obscenity. I hope they I hope Lindy was 18 and then get on YouTube, right? But yeah, that's the kind of guy that with the kind of mind that we're talking about. I think a lot of horror guys, your you know, John Carpenters, a lot of guys feel like have they have like those the anti-war protesting background from the 60s, like coming up through the Vietnam era and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02

It is about pushing boundaries too. It's not just sex for sex sometimes, it is about pushing the boundaries and fighting back against censorship sometimes.

SPEAKER_03

Well, everyone in the a lot of the music there was all anti-war, politically charged. It was just part of part of everyone's nature in the time back then.

SPEAKER_01

And I and we can look at a lot of different decades and see the movies are influenced by what's going on. And movies kind of do a little unal card and rever and reverse and influence the the times.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. So writers, HP Lovecraft. I'm not going to go into him on purpose because you need to go and find out about HP Lovecraft yourself. Kind of a garbage person in a weird way.

SPEAKER_02

I didn't I don't know. I'm gonna say the dude was fucked up. I'll throw it out there. He's he's well known. Well, not well known because a lot of people don't know his name from Adam, right? But like when you do the dive, there's some some racist stuff. I think one of his dogs was just named the N-word. Right? Not a not a good guy. That's not what you want. Not a good guy. Nero? Yeah, not that anymore. Anyway, he died in poverty, though.

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Like, so like all of his successfully very in big occult, and it comes out in his writing, and yet somehow prudish at the same time, and turns out super racist. Super racist. Anyway, go on to your homework, reading. Whose pick was this? This is my okay. Just checking.

SPEAKER_02

Uh did you go and are we is this the Lovecraft portion?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm not gonna do a lot on Lovecraft.

SPEAKER_02

So common oh, you are doing it now? I'm done with what I have on Lovecraft. So common themes with love, like when you hear this is such a Lovecraftian film or topic, that means uh cosmic indifference. So the universe being vast but doesn't take sides necessarily, so which is different than our morality that plays in, right? So so in this movie you'll see, you know, they transcended the old guys, right? Deldritch, you know, the ancient ones. They transcend our moral system, right? So Charlie just mentioned unknowable entities, knowledge causing madness. So the more you learn, the more do you see that in this movie? Forbidden discovery, like taboo stuff. Once you push certain limits, you start to get you fight against our puritanical or whatever you want to call it, and atmosphere over action. That's all I got for typical Lovecraftian things.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, go out. I mean, he's got some good stuff out there for a racist guy.

SPEAKER_02

The most racist.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Okay, so the other the actual writers of this movie. Yeah, the ones that bring the sex. Brian Usna, Dennis Payoli? I mean, I'll go with that. I like a good Payoli on my sandwiches.

SPEAKER_02

Isn't that what?

SPEAKER_01

So dip your fries in it. Brian Usna, a lot of the dentists, Reanimator. He did Beyond Reanimator, which I have not seen. He did that after you haven't seen Beyond? Wait, is that no after Beyond?

SPEAKER_02

That's after the bride of the Reanimator, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01

No, it's 2003.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, so that's like reason, reason.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah, well, yeah. For this genre, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Compared to 85 when it's like, I always think I'm closer to 2000 than I am.

SPEAKER_01

But he wrote a lot of stuff. Honey, I hear he was in on Honey I Shrunk the Kids, the TV show as well. Honey, I we shrunk ourselves, Necronomicon, not the necr Necrocomicon. Yeah, totally different. Silent Daddy Night 4, Reanimator 2, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, From Beyond, blah blah blah. Kind of in the same genre, stuck with it.

SPEAKER_03

Honey I shrunk the kids, not horny like these.

SPEAKER_01

No, it's so weird. Well, there's French class and horror directors who do like children's books and movies like this.

SPEAKER_02

Always collab a lot of collaborations with this.

SPEAKER_03

When we did Chopping Mall, I forgot to mention Jim Winowski, who directed that. Missed your chance. His all of his movies are like exploitation and like softcore porn with like a play on the title, like the hills have thighs. But then one of like his 300 credits is like that dog gone Christmas. And it's like a G-rated Christmas movie about a dog. I'm like, wait, what? No. It's literally like rated G, and it's about a dog at Christmas. It's called like that dog gone Christmas.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so the other writer, weird uh Dennis Baioli, reanimator. He he wrote Dagon, another HP Lovecraft and Alley. D-A-G-O-N, wrote Body Snatchers, 1993 version, Telves from Beyond the Pale, Masters of Horror. That was a good series. Body Snatchers. I just said that one. Pit in the Pendulum. Yeah. He wrote Pit in the Pendulum. Phantoms. Reference in our last actually.

SPEAKER_03

I'm pretty sure Edgar Allan Poe wrote The Pit and the Pendulum, but keep going. That's me. That's me being Neil deGrasse Tyson here.

SPEAKER_01

Well, actually. Goulies 2. I'm gonna do Ghoulies 1 eventually. Another great 80s, like critters and you know, those type movies.

SPEAKER_02

Wouldn't you say Ghoulies is like the knockoff at critters or the other way around?

SPEAKER_01

Unknowable. It's like the bow, the bow and arrow were independently discovered or created in Asia and Africa. Okay, okay. Let's go, let's go into the cast. And I'm only gonna cover three because that's all I really care about in this movie. There's a lot of sub small characters, but blah blah blah. Small potatoes. Background noise. Jeffrey Combs plays Dr. Crawford. What's his last name? Kitty. Sure. Okay. Jeffrey Combs, great actor. I said it earlier. He got typecast early, but he's still working. He does a lot of voice work. He's been in movies. And I would have felt bad for him if we, you know, just disappeared, but he didn't. He's still around. He's still making a living. I'm I'm good with that.

SPEAKER_03

Scarefest laughing.

SPEAKER_02

So I'm at the Scarefest. Nice guy, but like, you know, he's got that. I don't know if any who listens to this, but like he's got a little bit of arrogance to him, but I like it. I like it. It fits in his characters, right? Loved him in the Frighteners, loved him in Would You Rather? Like in the Deep Space Nine Creep Star Trek. I watched some Deep Space Nine. Creep Show, he was in an episode of that Creep Show show. He did two episodes of Spongebob's SquarePants.

SPEAKER_01

Oh shit. Voice acting. Yeah. Doing a thonky. Yeah. I mean, I I he's great in this movie. He's a little over the top. He's got it for me.

SPEAKER_03

He's he's Herbert West, though. Which is I mean, he's an evil guy. Right. Yeah. So I mean, I think that's how he's. Is it hard for him to drop that? Like, is that who people associate him with, or is he yes. I think he's just like that guy. I think he's just that's just who he is.

SPEAKER_02

Because I think when you're casting people, it's like, oh, this has to be like an evil scientist type or an intellectual that's gone too far. You know, you got I got a guy for you.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. This guy, Jeffrey Combs. So now let's move on to the star of the show. The stars. The star of a shopping mall, in my opinion. Barbara Crampton. You met her too, didn't you?

SPEAKER_02

I did. I did. I like kind of incidentally. She came over while we were talking to other people, which is kind of awesome. That means she's like, hey, hey, tall drink of water. What are you up to? No, I was with my wife. She was never mind. But yeah, you're going to be able to do that. No, Barbara Crampton is super nice, and she's got to be what? How old?

SPEAKER_01

Born in dang it. Like IMDB Glaze.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know. I'll let you know. I know she's probably about 26, 20, 25, 26 when this came out.

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Aged incredibly well and very sweet.

SPEAKER_01

She got her start in Days of Our Lives in 1965. Was she a two-year-old in that one? God, it's still not showing the year she was born. December 27th. That's strategic.

SPEAKER_02

You know, like they don't want to be cast as a great grandmother.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

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But no, she's super sweet and still very attractive. Right. Yeah.

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Definitely. Still married.

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Born 1958.

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To Robert Bleckman.

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1958, we said.

SPEAKER_01

58. Okay. So she's 11 years older than me. Seven.

SPEAKER_02

She's almost seven close up on 70. In this movie, she she was asked to play a couple different characters, almost, right? So it's like she had to play the stuffy, I'm wearing these, this crazy shoulder pad jacket.

SPEAKER_01

Do whatever it takes to get my theories out there.

SPEAKER_02

But then she had to play the unleashed, the uninhibited, the pine one controls. Yeah, that pineal was great. That'll get you. But yeah, so good stuff.

SPEAKER_01

How do they call it the pineal gland because it looks like a pine cone?

SPEAKER_02

I think it's because it sounds like penis. Pineal.

SPEAKER_01

Everything is penis. Right. World is run by men and we're bad.

SPEAKER_02

Pituitary or pineal? Which one do you want?

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

How about body double?

SPEAKER_03

De Palma film. She's in that. This is Carol. How was she? A great. Great. Great.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely fantastic. Dead night, Death House, Day of Reckoning. I mean, she's just in it's still, yeah, like I said, still working. She worked throughout the teens, the 90s. Puppet Master? That one's gonna make it. Trancers 2. I don't remember her in Transvers 2. I don't really remember Trancers 2. Trancers? Trancers. Should I watch it? Yeah, yeah, probably.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Uh Puppet Masters, definitely. Classic Puppet Mastermaster.

SPEAKER_02

The Puppet Master or Puppet Master. With the little puppets. Yeah. Okay. I love the little puppets.

SPEAKER_01

German possessed puppets, Nazis. Yeah. Have you seen those? I've seen Puppet Master.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah. Okay. That's right up your alley. You're a Chucky guy. Yeah. It's like a cousin. It's not as good as it's.

SPEAKER_01

She was in a TV movie in 1986. This is gonna spawn some discussion. Prince of Bel Air. Not the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. What came first? 86.

SPEAKER_02

Oh shit. Oh, Fresh Prince was after that. Fresh Prince was definitely 88, 89. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I remember I used to dance at the end of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air because they played the song, you know?

SPEAKER_01

You've gone too far.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, hey, I was 10. Not even.

SPEAKER_01

Did you do the Carlton dance? I wish, man. Carlton ahead of his time. Carlton dance in the 80s. Okay. Moving on to the very famous Ken Forey. Am I pronouncing that right? It's got two E's. Foray? Ken Foray, yeah. Foray. Yeah. Don't it's Joe Dirte. Is that what it is? And still working. In the probably the greatest zombie movie ever made, Dawn of the Dead. Who's in this? He was in Halloween in 2007. He was in The Lords of Salem 2012, the most recent stuff. Yeah, Rob Zombie likes him, yeah. Two things coming this year. Boris is dead, special up, run a cop. I don't know what that's gonna be.

SPEAKER_02

He also frequents the scarefests too, are in the horror convention. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But has done a lot of work. Big Joe Grizzly in Rob Zombie's Halloween. Yep. I'm Joe Grizzly, bitch. That's his line. Was he in 31 too? No, I can't remember. I don't know if he's in that one. I haven't seen 31. I just 31 was alright. He was in the Dawn of the Dead remake 2004 for a little bit, a little bit of cameo in there.

SPEAKER_02

Gotta do it. Yeah. Gotta pay your tributes.

SPEAKER_01

He did an episode of The Angry Beavers. I don't know if you guys remember that from the late 90s.

SPEAKER_02

I've seen like an episode.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I was pretty much.

SPEAKER_03

He uh he also liked that movie from behind the beaded curtain, the video. That was salty beavers. No.

SPEAKER_01

So hard to that was strange. Unruly and untamed beavers. That's what that was.

SPEAKER_02

Be really out of control was the sequel. So are you gonna talk about his underpants choice now? No, we're gonna get that when we get into the movie. Hey. How do you explain this hard on? Third reference.

SPEAKER_01

He was in an episode of Matlock. Missed that one, but I mean the new Matlock or the old Matlock.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you for clarifying.

SPEAKER_01

Family Matters. I mean, he's True Blood, he's all over the place. True Blood, not the series on HBO. Oh, okay. That's the only true blood I know. Yeah, really. Knight Rider. I mean, he's worked, he's made some money, he's got a career. He's not one of those guys who did a few movies. Sits on his royalties as well. Because they couldn't, you know, get jobs and stay employed, so they went off to be somewhere else in the NCAA.

SPEAKER_03

A lot of these guys stay in their lane, the horror stuff. I think maybe like I don't know, a lot of actors, actresses use horror as like a starting point to get to bigger and better things. And some of them just stay in that lane and just not that they can't do those other things, because obviously they can, but they maybe they enjoy it. I like the ones that do it and love it. Yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot of horror movies too. You read we read about some of these are like, oh, they shot this in 28 days, they shot this in 22 days. Like, shit, you just all right, I'm gonna go work for three weeks and get 250,000 bucks. Yeah, rather than be like, Oh, I gotta go to I gotta go to frickin' India for seven months and shoot whatever.

SPEAKER_01

I think a lot of it is luck. Like McConaughey was in what Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

He did Frailty Later, which came back and who knows?

SPEAKER_01

I don't know the casting people or just you know hustling and doing stuff different, but I don't know if if any I can't tell. I I know a bad actor when I see a bad actor, and a good actor when I see a good actor, but the good ones are like kind of all good, and I don't know why some make it and some don't.

SPEAKER_03

A lot of it's luck, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Okay. So I think she was in your next. I'm going back to Barbara. She was in your next too, right? Yeah, I think she was that film. I never saw that movie. Love that film. You should watch it.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so let's go ahead and hit the movie.

SPEAKER_02

I just did a quick shout out to Dr. Block, who was Carolyn Purdy Gordon, which is actually Stuart's Gord Stuart Gordon's wife for a long time. I didn't go that far.

SPEAKER_01

But I've seen in other things. A lot of actors, a lot you don't know from other stuff, a lot that you've seen in other stuff.

SPEAKER_02

You'd probably suck on her eyeball, wouldn't you? I've suck on her left eyeball.

SPEAKER_03

Oh no, the right one. The left one got got. The neighbor in this is also in Reanimator. Right. The the lady across the side.

SPEAKER_02

Bunny Summers, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Then her dog's name's Bunny.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Uh let's are we gonna step on the dumbest character right now?

SPEAKER_01

No, no, I don't think she she counts. Okay. Okay, so we start off with the experiment. We're gonna go Crawford for the rest of the pod, Jeffrey Combs character. He is working with Dr. Pratarius, who is the brains behind the operation, but he figures something out with some kind of, you know, he's I think he actually mentions changing the software, and that was what got him working. So he goes up, you know. I don't know how real scientific experiments work, but I'm pretty sure it's not like this, just in somebody's house. Oh, it checks out with an SM dungeon on the second floor below the attic, which is where they have the resonator. And like the budget was four and a half million dollars. It wasn't for the actors, it was for this machine, it was for all this super high tech of the day. That computer with the black screen, the green lettering.

SPEAKER_02

What yeah, what we what did we think about the resonator? I thought it was a pretty cool device. It needed a better name. Most of the money went. It had four little prongs on it. Forks, they called them.

SPEAKER_01

Tunes they call them forks. But they were I think those were out of the thing.

SPEAKER_03

Tuning forks in a giant like bubble, and like it was a good design for the resonator. Yeah, needed a different name. Sounds too much like reanimator. Oh, yeah. After just watching, I mean, I watch them, but coming off the heels of Reanimator, and they're like, It's the resonator. I'm like, Well, you just had a reanimator, now you have a resonator. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

How much power did that thing?

SPEAKER_03

What do we think, guys? A lot.

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Thick ass wires.

SPEAKER_03

They were using like uh those washer and dryer cords, like eight, like twelve of them to run those.

SPEAKER_01

Guaranteed there was not enough power hooked up.

SPEAKER_02

So let's just call it five of those, that would be like over a thousand watts, right? Because it's two twenties or amps, whatever. Um it's not the watts that get you. Yeah, let's hear it.

SPEAKER_01

You need you need thick cables. I knew I'd set you up for lots of amps. Okay, and or shit just turns red and red hot and melts.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_02

But there's no way there's anything hooked up to his house that would supply that. You think it was Commodore 64 they were using to power this thing? No. Little IBM? Little t T R S eighty?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so he turns it on, he immediately gets attacked. By those flying fish eelworm things, and turns it off, goes downstairs, tells Pretorius, who's in the middle of an SM session with someone. He's like, It's working. That thing you said fixed it, it's working. He's like, You better not be wasting my time.

SPEAKER_02

There's somebody in here who needs to be whipped. Quick side note, like 10 seconds. I bet you Pretorius convinced Tillingas to go into his room a couple times. It feels that way. It feels like there was that relationship.

SPEAKER_01

I think he wanted him to.

SPEAKER_02

No, I feel like I don't think he did. I feel like Tillingas got some. Smoking jacket. He puts on the smoking jacket. Yeah, Praetorius. When you got a smoking jacket, you're a different level player. Right.

SPEAKER_01

So the nosy neighbors cross the street and she's like, hey, cops, there's some shit going on. Some screaming. Right, which you know, they you told me to call back if something's happening and something's happening. Oh no, if I'm disturbed or something like that. I'm disturbed. And cops hang up. Well, they eventually show up. So that's the neighbor. And you get the feeling like when you look at the house, this looks like a fucking haunted house in the middle of nowhere, but then it's in a neighborhood, which you never really get a good view of the neighborhood. So they didn't use a four and a half million dollars there.

SPEAKER_02

Can can I did you guys catch the address?

SPEAKER_03

Benevolent Street.

SPEAKER_02

6666 Best Street Benevolent Street. Totally normal neighborhood. Right. You know, benevolent.

SPEAKER_01

So almost like a god, right? Like it's go ahead. So he goes up, turns it on, shit goes crazy. Windows blow out, bunch of lights. And I can't remember if they they they they show everything that happens except him getting his head bitten off.

SPEAKER_02

Jeffrey or Tilling Crawford says, we gotta turn it off. There's a struggle, right? He's no and then Edward Pretorius is like, hell no, I need this. Because his pineal is like off the charts. Right. He was busting out his pants, probably. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Crawford runs out, cops show up.

SPEAKER_02

Runs out with an axe. Scaring that yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right. Oh yeah, that was the one thing. Uh the neighbor goes up into the house. Axe comes through the door and he's like, fuck you, old lady, and darts past her on the stairs. She's like, taking her time.

SPEAKER_03

She's screaming bloody murder, but taking her sweet ass chasing handling back out of the house. She ain't moving fast.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, there's no they would have had to CGI her down those stairs. And she's she's walking down the stairs. And then Bunny goes back in the house, and we see Bonnie looking the headless stump of Petrois.

SPEAKER_02

As dogs do. I don't know who wants to bring this up, but the funniest thing in this entire movie are the two sketch outlines of the dead bodies, where Bubba gets it and where Pretorius gets it. Those are the best. If early, early nomination for short list. I'll just throw it out there.

SPEAKER_01

So the cops show up, Crawford's in the psych ward, and that's when we we meet Dr. Catherine McMichaels, Barbara Crampton. With her glasses and her tweed jacket, gray glasses, her hair up, white jacket, and then we meet the mean doctor who's just a punk ass Dr. Block.

SPEAKER_02

She's like the nurse Ratchet character.

SPEAKER_01

She's just angry at everybody, wants to electroshock everybody, but the cops show up and they're like, we don't know what's going on. We can't find the body. What can you give us? I think we should take him back to the house and redo it, and he'll remember it all and tell us what happened. What could go wrong?

SPEAKER_03

I'm pretty sure Miggs from Silence of the Lambs was in this. Who's gonna bring that up to you?

SPEAKER_02

We got to see a guy diddle it himself a little bit. I missed that. Oh, it was the last door she looked in. The dude with butt naked. Oh, that's right. Go with it. Dr. Catherine's going to get to his door. Yeah, he looks over his shoulder. That just made his day right there. Oh, he's got an audience. What did McSadio McSadio?

SPEAKER_01

He swallowed his tongue. Okay, so she's got custody of Crawford. She's gonna take him back. Yeah. But there's gotta be a cop with him. Of course. With them. That is only Bubba Brown Lee, former, probably defensive player.

SPEAKER_02

He does a lot of good tackling. Yeah, either that or offensive lineback then. He was he was a big gentleman.

SPEAKER_03

Thinking by the number 55, he was a linebacker.

SPEAKER_01

Just to say. I forgot that they also did a CAT scan and Crawford's pineal is extremely lovely. Pineal Gran is huge.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, an impressive pineal.

SPEAKER_01

Impressive. Ooh. Was that a pineal in your pocket? Yeah. Just as happy to see me. Okay, so we meet Bubba. Bubba's important to know a top, funny football player. That big cop.

SPEAKER_02

Oh Crawford. Crawford keeps uh touching his forehead in the middle like during this whole time.

SPEAKER_01

Right, right. And that that comes up a lot later. So they're right after the house. I mean, there's some plot flaws in this movie. Crawford is scared shitless. He wants the bolt. He doesn't want to go back in the house. Bubba stops him. His friends call him Bubba. Bubba stops him.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, did you know all football players are crazy?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's what D says. Okay, so they get in the house, power's out, they need to find out where the power is to turn it on. They assume the basement. They ask Crawford. Boom, Crawford does a houdini. They don't know where he is. Gow. They gotta go. Bubba's like, we gotta fix the power first. Go down, turn the breaker on. Wires everywhere. I bet this leads to the resonator. So they go up to the attic, turn on the lights, and she's about to fiddle with the resonator. And Crawford comes out of the shadows with an axe. Yeah. And Bubba stops him.

SPEAKER_03

And they just gloss over this, by the way. I think. Kind of. Yeah. He comes at her with the axe. He comes up. Because he I think he knows the date how dangerous the machine is, and she wants to recreate what happened. She was just in the way. Right. And sh well, he she also, I think her motive is to recreate what happened so she can see if he's lying or not, or to see what actually happens. He doesn't want this machine to be turned on at all. Right. So but then once Bubba intercepts him with the axe, he's just like, All right, who wants dinner? No.

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No, no, no, no.

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Like, I'm like, wait, he just tried to murder someone. So she's a cop and you're like, who wants dinner?

SPEAKER_02

He's remembering. Exactly. He's real reliving the night of what he did to destroy it.

SPEAKER_01

So he's like, well, we can pick up in the morning. And next scene is at night. Yeah. What did he Bubba's making food? What did he make? That was like some potato stew with uh biscuits on it. Biscuits like three out of five. He's a big guy. Bubba loves the he loves it. He smells it. And it to be fair, a little bit. I'd eat the shit out of that. Biscuits on anything. You put them on a sneaker. Alright. Where are we? Charles Detroit stops him. Crawford. Then he's fixing it. Right after they eat. It seems like the same night. There was no day scene. Well, wait till tomorrow. Where was tomorrow? Or do they just pick up the ball?

SPEAKER_02

That he was given the choice of spending his life in the insane asylum, essentially, which is also the hospital, apparently. Right. But or going with the same.

SPEAKER_03

Like some have like a cycle. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Larger hospitals have sideboards. But not for like red. Someone who's in that. Yeah, right. Forever. No. There's like short-term holding. Yeah. Okay. Where are my glasses?

SPEAKER_03

And then while they're looking for Crawford, they stumble across the SM room with the video playing of Pretorius. He was into some weird shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, he was. He was at it. Pretty mild by today's standards in a weird way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I don't know.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Need to touch grass. Then Crawford fixes the resonator. There's issues, you know, we can't do this and that, but it'll work. Well, how did it work before?

SPEAKER_02

I mean, they had to change software for it to get to work, and now he can just like manually plug shit in and so he mentions he's bypassing the computer completely and he's bypassing like a lot of different controlled. So basically there's a lot of fail stops that have been bypassed.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Okay, so he fixes always a good idea. When she's like, turn it on. She's like, okay, don't move. If they if you move, they'll know you're here, and it's not gonna be a good thing. Not good. And what's Bubba do? They turn it on, everyone's pine needle goes in overdrive, and Bubba starts seeing shit. The the eels command, the killer jellyfish. So so and he moves right away. What is that?

SPEAKER_02

So Tillingast and McMichael's kind of have a little thing, like immediately. So third wheel walks over to look at the shit. Like third wheel's like, oh great. And then he walks and looks at those eels in the air. It was a new new creature.

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna throw this out there. Hot take. This movie's a little racist. This movie's a lot racist. Well, the we know about HP. Bubba is the third wheel in this this movie. Okay. And later there's a scene where Bubba could have got it. And they had to make it look like oh, I can't do that, and I'm gonna straighten you.

SPEAKER_02

Would you say that racist or progressive as in he's like not going to be the one that like does what you think he's going to do?

SPEAKER_01

No.

SPEAKER_02

Like he's above that. He turns her around. Like, can we talk about that later? It's racist.

SPEAKER_01

They can't have a black man and a white woman make out and have sex on TV. True.

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Or on in a movie. That part, yes, that would have been bad, but they made it seem like he was above.

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They had to make him seem above because you can't have a black woman black man and a white woman have sex in a movie. Not yeah, not make out in a movie. I mean, it's anyway. Unknowable. No, it's knowable. Okay. So Bubba's reaching for the crazy jellyfish. It comes in and attacks him. And throws it off. If I'm there, I'm not reaching for shit.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

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Blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_03

Crawford's bit by the creature, but then Pretorius comes back. He shows up. Shows up.

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And he's looked like he didn't know.

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Which should exonerate.

SPEAKER_01

Big ass scrotum. Yeah, he's like, Where have you been? I guess you are crazy, but Bubba says. Now yeah, he's just naked right now. Yeah. And then Crawford goes up and he's like, Oh, you can touch me if you want to. Like goose out.

SPEAKER_03

He says, Touch me if it pleases you.

SPEAKER_02

That's why it helps you understand. Right. That's why I think that Crawford has been in his room before. Right. Nah.

SPEAKER_03

Taurus is just. Well, no, he wants he wants Dr. Catherine to touch him. Oh, he definitely wants that too. He's like, oh, you have me. Because she doesn't understand. She's the one that needs to be. He's just standing there, dick out, and everything. Yeah. Yeah. And she's the one who goes up and touches him, and it's like his her her hand like sinks into his hand. No, that was his hand. That was Crawford.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I thought that was. Yeah. And then he does a whole pulls pulls his face off. Pulls his face off.

SPEAKER_02

In theory, if he had a penis out and about, that would have smushed up.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, it's sloth off. And then when he does his face opens up with like the little things you don't really get a bit. The Beetlejuice thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, just like Beetlejuice. It's amazing. And then what's Crawford says when he I guess they shut off the machine, right? And then he's like, that will be quite enough of that.

SPEAKER_01

Well, Bubba pulls out the gat and unloads on him and doesn't really like do anything. And then he's like completely gooing out and then turns over.

SPEAKER_03

And then and then we get to breakfast. And they're like, one of them is it Bubba says, How can you eat after that?

SPEAKER_02

Catherine's making the breakfast because she is hot and heavy, ready for whatever comes next.

SPEAKER_01

And she doesn't like biscuits and stew. Bad choice.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. So go ahead. It looked like a potato. Or some kind of biscuit. Eating a biscuit on top. What do you think? I don't know. You can't cook a potato like that.

SPEAKER_01

It looked nice and fluffy. That was a good looking biscuit. Okay. Okay. So we're we're kind of just hanging out, and Crawford doesn't want to turn it on anymore, and Bubba's bandaged up and completely on board with that. We do a little, you know, and people are thinking their thoughts, and this is. Miss Michaels is up in her room by herself in her nightgown. Very 1870s little house on the prairie looking. She's like, you know, I'm gonna turn this thing on. Something was tingling. And I'm gonna turn this back on and find find out what's going on. She goes up in her nightgown, turns it on. Crawford senses his panillo goes crazy and senses it on. He goes up to find out what's going on. So they're both up there. And of course, Pretoria shows up a little bit gooeier and all like half bad, half looking grosser. Wet mucusy. Looks like a scrotum. Now it's scrotum. With his arm like growing up. Oh, yeah, his arm's like using to his body. And he's like, girl, you're gonna get it. Grabs her. Let me give you a kiss. Pulls her top off or the shreds the top of her nightgown. We see some chest.

SPEAKER_02

I don't remember that part.

SPEAKER_01

You don't remember that part? That's when you blacked out.

SPEAKER_02

My pinting of the page.

SPEAKER_01

And um Crawford's gonna go turn it off, and he's like, Don't turn it off. He's like, Oh, okay. Like then he runs down to the basement.

SPEAKER_02

This was very reflective of Pretorius earlier. She was overtaken by the whatever it is, right? Right.

SPEAKER_01

After this, she's not having it.

SPEAKER_02

Or is she?

SPEAKER_01

Well, yeah, right. It was a very traumatic situation for her. You'll see after he gets turned off. So he's running downstairs, and you think he's bolting, and Bubba thinks he's bolting too. Bubba tackles Bubba tackles him, Bubba Brown Lee coming out of nowhere in a skip. Any time of day.

SPEAKER_02

Those, yeah, those are briefs. Those are like worse than briefs.

SPEAKER_01

Those are like but he pulled them off. That's what guy was in 1986. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Guy, I mean, like, there's no dunlap going on. And then he gets wet. It was like a wet t-shirt contest, but a wet underwear contest. It was like, whoa, I can see. So he's like, bro, we gotta turn it off. I'm not trying to escape. We can't skip past it. It's in the basement.

SPEAKER_01

Like you can see every detail of his I can skip past so you can't. Yeah. His pineal was pineal was in overdrive. So they go they go down to the basement to pull the lever that's gonna turn off all the power at the junction box. I mean, there was not a circuit breaker box. That was like hundred amp breakers. Illegal, probably. Against Frankenstein style. But the basement's full of water, and the baby dune worm just like a dune worm shows up and starts eating Crawford. And Bubba's like, I need to go get a weapon. Runs into the kitchen, for completely forgets about his gun. Runs in the kitchen, gets a butcher knife, and comes in, like when he was running, he does like this little leg cake thing. I was like, Did he just do that? I mean, that's a bower act. Like was it slippery, or was there like a little heel kick?

SPEAKER_02

It was unit was necessary. Whatever Bubba did. I trusted Bubba.

SPEAKER_01

Ken knows what he's doing. Yeah. He's a seasoned actor. Runs down, like Tarzans off the top rope onto the back of the dune worm and starts stabbing it, and like just comes like goo and like, ugh, just gives up, I guess. And then he gets thrown, he tries to pull Crawford out of this thing, and he is he's up to the shins at this point. And gets thrown off into the water of the game, but he's right next to the junction box, and he just pulls the cables, just manhandles cables right out of there. Rips it right off. Water's gone, duneworm's gone, bruh has been important to know he's been in a mouth.

SPEAKER_02

Crawford has been in a mouth. Yes. Right?

SPEAKER_01

All the hair from his waist up is gone. Eyebrows, and I it looked like they should him for that part.

SPEAKER_02

His skin is sensitive to the touch.

SPEAKER_01

Well, yeah, there's probably some stomach acid got on him and shit. And the oh, so up in the attic going on at the same time, Pretorius is like, I'm gonna give you a kiss. And a kiss to him means I'm gonna bite your head. Suck on your head. So he starts sucking on her head with this great a la the thing type of gooey monster-looking thing with a head popping out of a head. It was really good.

SPEAKER_02

Oh to this point, the monsters, the practical effects, killing it. On on fleek. On fleek as it's an old one.

SPEAKER_01

As they said ten years ago. 15 nuance. So and then everything just disappears, and Bubba picks gingerly, gently picks up Crawford, takes him not to the hospital. No. Well we're just gonna go put him in the sex room.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

On a bed in the sex room. Seriously. Good place for it.

SPEAKER_02

If you had a black light, what would that room look like?

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god. Like a fireworks display with what it would look like. And the the Praetorious monster eating or kissing McMichaels goes away, and she does a really good job of like a freak out, and this is a horrible, this was a attempted rape, sexual assault type of reaction.

SPEAKER_02

On par with that for sure.

SPEAKER_01

And it was really good. It was really effective.

SPEAKER_02

I mean yanks out cords from the machine. Oh yeah, turns off the switch, all that stuff, right?

SPEAKER_01

I was wrong. This is this is gone forever in my life. So it turns out it's not.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Bubba's ready to cut bait, but Dr. Catherine, she's like, all I have to do is just stand there with my hand on the switch. We can keep doing experiments. Right. Except you don't. Exactly what Mike says.

SPEAKER_02

The problem was involving third-party people, like not being it's distracting, they said, right? So if she just stood there getting off with her hand on the switch, it would be better.

SPEAKER_03

Right. She's like, all we need is somebody standard hand on the switch. So if it gets too crazy, just shut it off. Right. And it's not a bad idea.

SPEAKER_02

Early candidate. Bubba came to cut big and get it. And then Bubba's the smartest guy on the show. Bub is like, hey, I'm loading the car.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah. Then what? And then is this where we get uh my our favorite scene? Yes, it is. My favorite scene, at least. Walk us through your favorite scene. Well, like, I mean, I'm I'm I'm like excited to tell us about this. Is that your pineal gland? Well, I'm boring. I don't have a big pineal gland. Um, you know, I'm not adventurous in certain ways, but Dr. Catherine would make me adventurous. I'm just gonna put it that way. If you weren't married, if I wasn't married, Dr.

SPEAKER_02

Catherine, yeah, it was almost like a Dracula kind of thing. It was a trance she became to get in. She started putting leather on her face, rubbing it on her face. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And then she's like, this leather shows up in a leather outfit, which true story, later she served at a garage sale.

SPEAKER_02

Did she? Nice. I mean, I say nice because uh I don't know that I'm the one who bought it. Right. Um anyway, so she puts it in the shows up Crawford hairless, laying unconscious and like like rubbed with all the whatever the antiperk. He's got some. He is in a stole over.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, but she shows up in the outfit and she starts to grope.

SPEAKER_02

She's groping, she's then she straddles. Well, she reached down, grabs something. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Who knows who knows? But then she smelled her fingers and maybe like tasted her fingers. Yeah, she went. Yeah, this like it was a slow-mo in your mind, right?

SPEAKER_01

Her pineal is like taking her through her second puberty, is what's going on there. Poor unsuspecting Crawford is is is about to be sexual.

SPEAKER_02

Is is the term pre-com too far for the show?

SPEAKER_01

I don't think he's I don't think any of that came explicit pun intended. So she starts straddles grinding, very attractive actor. And then Jeffrey Combs. Bubba comes in, and what the fuck are you doing? And then she's like, Oh, it's a shame. And this is what I'm saying, like the racism comes in, she can't they can't sexually do anything together.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_01

I don't think he wants. Wanted to.

SPEAKER_03

I think because he pulls her up and is like, look at what you're doing. But that's what it takes. Her seeing herself in the mirror, be like, oh, what Charlie's saying is something's been taking control of my head.

SPEAKER_01

She's attractive. The thing, they're not in immediate danger. She's coming on to him. Why not? Why not?

SPEAKER_02

That's what Charlie's saying. Is that character could have easily scot-free, you know, had some sex with.

SPEAKER_03

I think he's too like some shit's fucked up. We need to get out of here. Yeah. And I am then when they're safe and gone, then he'll be like, hey, get them digits. Do you think we had some chemistry back there in that house? Like, and then I think it could have worked out. I think I think his primary mission is get the fuck out of here. Like, what are you doing fucking around? Because he shows her in the mirror, like, what are you doing? And that's when she realizes, like, what am I doing? So I'm taking over my brain.

SPEAKER_02

I think it's a yes, and because I think at the time it would have been super controversial for them to but wouldn't like a progressive like Stor Gordon, like just make them do it like it's he was exploitative.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know if he was progressive.

SPEAKER_02

He still had to answer the people, right?

SPEAKER_01

I guess. Yeah, who it's unknown.

SPEAKER_02

But like he did at one point, Ken Foray was like or Bubba. He did. He was like, You're asking for it. And what he meant by that was you're asking for me to like shake you and say, Yeah. Look at yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So Ken, he's probably shocked that since this is an 80s horror movie, he's still alive at this point. Probably that.

SPEAKER_02

Not for long. He's a red shirt on Star Trek tuning down to the unknown planet for sure. In the meantime, what happens?

SPEAKER_01

The damn thing turns itself on. Yeah, the resonator turns itself back on from beyond.

SPEAKER_03

From beyond. Ooh, he worked it in. Yeah, he worked it in.

SPEAKER_01

I love when they worked it out.

SPEAKER_03

Welcome to Jurassic Park.

SPEAKER_01

So they go up, all of them go up into the attic again, and then the new monster, the little transdimensional killer carnivorous bees, show up. That's attracted to light, and Bubba gets it off of them by using the light and then drops it, and the light shines directly on him. And then I think he said something like, oh no, Bubba. So they go after him, but at no point does he get out of the light.

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_02

Which is and they devour set up. Probably the best, one of the best effects in the world.

SPEAKER_03

They were on they were on Dr. Catherine and they were on Covenant for a while. No marks. And there's just like, you know, like some some bleeding. But they were divided. They were split. They get on him and like pieces are missing. Guts are missing.

SPEAKER_01

Like he's his head is there.

SPEAKER_03

Muscles are gone.

SPEAKER_01

But then he's laying on his back and his legs are completely chewed gone. Like there's bone. Yeah. And viscerage.

SPEAKER_02

Right. I think you see some rib cage. There's rib cage.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but he and he's alive.

SPEAKER_02

He's tough, man. And we get his chalk outline later. It's the best. His little stumpy arms get drawn.

SPEAKER_01

And then, of course, Proterius shows up again. Pretorius, whatever. Looking like a scrotum. Looking like a scrotum. Into show, into creates a mayhem madness, death, and some kind of we see the Pineal Glen come out of the head.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Yeah. Wow. Is that the Glen that's evolving? He's evolving into the and we notice it's like a third eye and it has Predator vision. Yeah. Which is wild. Oh, you think Predator stole that from this? Predator was the next year. Did they steal that from this? Maybe.

SPEAKER_01

No. Probably not. They probably didn't see that movie. None of the actors saw that movie. None of the production. I mean, that was a big production. They nobody watched that movie. So they get taken to back to the hospital. Well, she takes out the fire extinguisher, goes to bash it, he stops her, but then she like sprays it, and there's short circuiting and we're to believe it. Which I don't know if that would have worked. But no very material that sorts out the thing, and of course the monster's gone. And they're back at the hospital. And evil nurse is gonna evil. Nurse Ratchet, gonna ratchet. Right. She and she's always dressed up like a surgeon.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. She's a doctor. She is a doctor, not a nurse. It is important to know.

SPEAKER_01

Is she a doctor?

SPEAKER_02

She is Dr. Block.

SPEAKER_01

But is she a surgeon?

SPEAKER_02

Because there's a doctor.

SPEAKER_01

Probably not, but she can check wear the hair now.

SPEAKER_02

She can issue ECT like that, though, apparently.

SPEAKER_01

Right. To another sane doctor. So he's he's out, still hairless, in one room. She looks at his the hole in his forehead, his little pine dick comes out, and she's like, what the fuck? And doesn't say anything to anybody about it. Forehead dick. Yeah. And the cops are there and she's like, Dr. McMichael needs electro shock therapy. It'll cure everything. Cure everything. The DA was there. His best guys is gone.

SPEAKER_02

Yep. Bubba. Bubba Brown.

SPEAKER_01

Gone. Got got it.

SPEAKER_02

I like this jersey. I I know I'm stepping on Mike's corner here. Mike.

SPEAKER_01

What's up with the jersey? Mike's a football player. I know, but what it was not like college. It was all nondescript, yeah. Nondescript.

SPEAKER_03

Like Ohio State-ish, but not really. It was orange. Syracuse? No, it was red. It was red and red and silver. Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. It could have been Chiefs.

SPEAKER_03

But it was like Ohio State, but not. But yeah, it was somewhere in there. Okay. So maybe Miami, Ohio. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Then Dr. Shenanigans and Sue, they're strapping McMichaels to the chair to give her administer electroshock therapy. Like this is 1958. Like I think at that point shock therapy was not a thing. They still do ECT. Or he was on the way out. Now it's like electroconvulsive therapy? Rarely used.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah. Oh. She done needed it though. So heavy. So brutal. She needed it. Dude, that shit was. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. What the potate? Okay.

SPEAKER_01

So never went through with it here, though. Then we have the the the great escape. You do. McCrawford goes out, he's like going to this one lab where there's just like random bloody body parts that he's chomping on.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. He was drawn there by the biggest. Dr. Block's like, that's gonna make you sick. You don't need to be doing that.

SPEAKER_02

Come with me.

SPEAKER_01

He was drawn there by his his predator vision. Right. And then he's like, oh, okay. And then you know what looks good right now? You know what I can go for?

SPEAKER_02

An eyeball. Yo, brain. So Dr. Block the brains through this. This was the most like I felt for Dr. Block in this movie. She was like very kind to him. You shouldn't have to be a good one. Which was out of kind of out of character. It was weird, yeah. It's gonna make you sick, and he's like, What's happening to me? You know, all crazy stuff. But yeah, go. And then write on her eyeball with his mouth.

SPEAKER_01

How do you get an eyeball out with your mouth? I mean you can't bite it. It's it's practice. You you you put your tongue on it, but that's just gonna make everybody very uncomfortable and make an awkward situation.

SPEAKER_02

I've heard that Crawford Tillingas can suck a golf ball through a garden hose or an eyeball out of a skull.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. So the so it doesn't really show up, but we assume she's she's got which wouldn't kill you.

SPEAKER_02

Like your eye being forcefully pulled out of your head would not kill you. No, but that's what I'm saying. Like he something else happened and she's gone. He was focused on the brain. The brain did show up on his vision.

SPEAKER_01

And alarms go off, and this is how McMichael's Catherine gets away. They leave just like one guy, and she like, I don't know, kung fuz him. Use the light, use that light to smash his. That would probably hurt. That might make you dizzy a little bit. It would make me say, I'm done with this shit. So she's out, she's gonna go back to the house. She jumps in the van, takes off, just as Crawford's coming out, he sees her, is like, uh but she's not gone. But then I then that ambulance like immediately backs up into that space. I was like, at first I was like, is that her? Did she hear him and then come back? No, it's just some cranky ass motherfucker, drunk hobo, and a paramedic with a hobo, and some other paramedic who's taking her shit probably way too long.

SPEAKER_02

What it is important to note that uh DTs is short for delirium tremors, right? And it's just a shaking, right? That goes into it's it's you know a symptom of alcohol with alcoholic stuff, right? So but not what she's making it seem to be.

SPEAKER_01

So the the the dude paramedic takes the the guy having the DT's off on the stretcher, and she's there and she's like, grab me a sandwich or something, and then the guy didn't reply, she goes to look, and the guy with the DT's like, you know, yeah. And then we see Crawford sucking another eyeball. Sucking another eyeballs. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Finger, what was the finger popping eyeball? Finger popping eyeballs.

SPEAKER_01

Finger popping. Okay. So then he he gets the uh ambulance and he's going back to. Mm-hmm. Save the day, right? Catherine shows up with a beautiful homemade bomb. Where the fuck does she get the bomb? Just in a bag. Dynamite, like four sticks of dynamite. That wasn't like the shit you blow up buildings with. That you like. The shit you blow up like in Florida Stadium or take down whole buildings. Yeah. With a an exotic timer on it, with I mean, it looked legit. I think that's where all the four and a half million went. The timer had like decimal points and shit.

SPEAKER_03

When you put a ticking clock into a movie, you're making things better. You're making things better.

SPEAKER_01

She McGyvered it. I didn't see a blue or a red wire though to cut. No, that was that was legit. That's what I'm saying. So she goes up, runs up there, puts it on the resonator, ready to go, comes back on. And the goddamn thing comes back on from beyond. Crawford shows up. Pineal just jumping out randomly everywhere.

SPEAKER_02

Is this when he tries to detain her? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

He's under the control. But she was all like in there, like rubbing the leather cuffs and straps and stuff. That was earlier, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02

I think that was when her where her descent into bondage. Got it.

SPEAKER_01

So he shows up, straps her up, bites his pineal dick off. Bites his forehead dick. Right. And then so he's out. Through it. Bites through it. So it rips it. And then she's still tied up, but the thing's on, the resonator's on, and the little flying heels, and she's like, oh, come bite this off. So she moves her hand, bites to the one cup. Pretty smart. Pretty smart. Which might argue with her categories later. So then she, you know, kind of slowly moves and then starts shaking the other one, and then they get that one. Risky move, Cotton. Yeah. Bold move. Paid off. So she gets out of that. Proterius is there. He's all full-on monster from the thing at this point. Evolves. And he's gonna get her, and Crawford leads him away. Basically he's like, fuck you. You're you limp dick motherfucker. That's why you didn't do this. You did call me a little bit. That's why you beat people because you can't, you're impotent, basically. So he it works. He runs off, the thing and it morphs into like a flying monster thing. Bad man. It kind of looks small at first, but then it's definitely sponge. And he's running down the stairs and it just like off the top rope, wing clips him, knocks him down, and just goes full on chompy. Chomp on his head. Right? Or twist the chomp around, which was really cool.

SPEAKER_02

I la what we didn't see with Pretorius, right? The practical effects were really good.

SPEAKER_01

So he's gone. He's got she's upstairs with the bomb. She tries to run out, but he's down there and stops her.

SPEAKER_02

And the the flying eels show up again too. Didn't something fall out of like between his legs and slither over to her and like grab her. I feel like that was his dick.

SPEAKER_03

Like morph morphin dick grabbed her. Mighty morphin dick.

SPEAKER_01

So she runs off. She can't go out the front door. She has to go back upstairs. And there's like water coming down. I don't know where that's where that plays in. She tries to go in one door and then like super long hand stops her. She has to go back up the attic. She goes back up to the attic. It's coming after her.

SPEAKER_02

Good climax here. Then what stops it is Crawford because he was eaten.

SPEAKER_01

Right, go so Crawford was eaten and then busts his way out of desire. All his hairs back. Yeah. Yeah. Looking spry. And but then there's like this one body, two people, gooey, mutant, bloody, pink.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, like a fight. Like a fight for control. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_03

And they're going back and forth. He gets eaten. Then his head, he's trying to crawl out, and then arms start coming out of places. Then the an arm gets rid of goo.

SPEAKER_01

Faces pull apart. Oh, it's so great. And then there's skulls inside of it.

SPEAKER_03

Like there's other people inside there too, somewhere. It was really, really good.

SPEAKER_02

This whole time, what's happening? That counter is that time.

SPEAKER_01

20. Right. Yeah. So there's no resolution.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, like, it looks like they like he killed Crawford, but then eventually he has to let go of Crawford or let go of uh Catherine.

SPEAKER_01

Catherine does that jumps out the window. Jumps out the goddamn window from the third floor. Third floor. That's up.

SPEAKER_03

That's high.

SPEAKER_01

The bomb goes off. Blows up the resonator, blows up everything. Blows up her kneecaps. Yeah. Is that her kneecap or I thought that I don't know if that blew that or that was from the fall. Either one, like it could have been either. And then just like random neighborhood folks show up in pajamas and bathrobes.

SPEAKER_02

Like every loud noises and everything of let's bring our damn kids to see what's going on. Did you see the kids there? I'm like, don't bring your kids to this end of here.

SPEAKER_01

The nosy neighbor with bunny walks up to her, and you know, the closing scene, and it's just like maniacal. Bit his head off, and she starts screaming, crying, and then a maniacal laugh.

SPEAKER_03

She's had a very evil laugh.

SPEAKER_01

So she's insane. Little ambiguous. Her brain was broken.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, the Lovecrafty, and she's been driven to madness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And the movie's over. Roll credits. Roll credits. What do you guys think? Great man. Good body horror to end sequence. A good incredible. Some heads bitten off, gore viscera everywhere. So good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't plot holes, but I could live with them easily.

SPEAKER_03

Easily. No, I mean for yeah, every movie's got some if you really, really nitpick. Yeah. Something I was thinking. So this this film, we all liked it a lot. Metacritic was 60.

SPEAKER_02

That's really good for this side of the movie. Generous for this kind of movie.

SPEAKER_03

Rotten Tomatoes 73. Fan score 70. But my question is, like, if Reanimator doesn't exist, is this rated higher? It's almost like it's low. Like if Reanimator doesn't exist, this might not get made. Yeah. But also, it's like because of the success of Reanimator, this has to like exceed that bar, which is really hard to do. Because if you read a lot of the reviews, I read a lot of the reviews on this movie, and a lot of the critics are like, it's not Reanimator, but like really, really good. Or like one of the best horror movies of the 80s, but it's a notch short of being Reanimator. And it's like, if you don't compare it to Reanimator, does this get rated like you know 80, 85?

SPEAKER_02

I feel like the critics are you asking us as lay people, or are you asking critics? Because I think the critics in your opinion, of course the critics would have given it lower. I think the reanimator gave us permission to relish in this type of imagery and uh and you know, objectively the reanimator was done better.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it was better production, better acting, better directing, better script. Bride of the Reanimator followed after From Beyond and carried on. And it they were better movies, but if there was no reanimator, I think this movie would have gotten more love. Because it it did it just like Reanimator broke those those barriers and brought us a new genre, really HP Lovecraft America. Without that movie, I think this movie would have done the same thing and be higher up on everyone's list.

SPEAKER_02

I will say that From Beyond is a higher concept movie, right? It's not just, hey, this thing's dead, I've created a reagent to bring this back to life. This is dealing with some heavier, more ambitious, if you will, topics. So I don't know, but I still think that without the reanimator, this one would have been like kind of cast aside. Because we think we had the pre- We love Jeffrey Combs going into it. We love Stuart Gordon, we love Barbara Crampton. But maybe I don't I see what you're saying too, because the reanimator It cast a big shadow.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. At the same time, it also like I get your point, it lifted this movie up. Like this may have just been a bomb that went away and no one ever heard of again.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And the other the only comp I kind of have to this is when old school came out in like 2002, 2003, whatever that was. Flooding crashers? No, old school. No, I know. Like when that came out, like Will Farrell was like just like peak powers on SNL. I think maybe just retired from SNL, did old school, was like the biggest comedy in years, and was like the biggest thing. Like it was everybody owned it, it was on all the time, everybody quoted it. Anchorman comes out a year or two later, and my I vividly remember every like seeing Anchorman and everyone I talked to and like people that were like you know reviewing it were like it's not old school, but it's funny. Like they compared it to old school because it was so close in time. It was Will Farrell playing two different characters, and old school was like the bar was way up high, and anchorman was like had to reach that level um if it wanted to you know rise like by comparison, and everyone was just like it's funny, but it's not old school, or like Will Farrell's good, but Frank the Tank's better, like you know, and so but then I think as the years go on, more people quote Anchorman than old school, probably. Everyone's like, You're my boy, blue, or uh, we're gonna go to Bed Bath and Beyond, don't know if we'll have enough time, shit like that. Sure, but like Anchorman is like more pop culture relevant, I think, nowadays than old school is, and Ron Burgundy's been around in other things and at sporting events or just popping up on ESPN randomly as Ron Burgundy, shit like that. I don't know. It and I want to know if in why maybe why this didn't ever reach the level of reanimator as far as people talking about it or people appreciating it or whatever. First of all, good cop. I like the cop. That was a good comedy cop, don't you think, Charlie? That was good.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you. I'm definitely more of an Anchorman fan than the old school, but I have a confession.

SPEAKER_01

First time I saw Anchorman, I didn't get it. But it wasn't as good. See, and I watched it another time. Someone was like, Oh, this is great. And I was like, eh.

SPEAKER_03

But I think old school watched it and old school's a hard R too in Anchorman's PG 13. So there's that aspect of it too.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I guess there's no way to to litigate which one would be uh better if the other one didn't exist, but I would imagine that a ton of people saw reanimated and were like, I have to see whatever's next. So this was the first one. I don't know. It's out there, it is out there, right? We got some some pineal glands, pineal glands flying out ahead.

SPEAKER_03

If you like body horror, this is up your alley.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, okay. Uh let's get to some categories, some questions, if you will. Which kill was best?

SPEAKER_03

I gotta think it's the end sequence, the whole the when it showed Jeffrey Combs is uh telling us. Yeah, when when you know Petrous swallows up Crawford and then they're the fight and it's just the gooey shit all all over the place. Yeah. I think it's gotta be that one.

SPEAKER_01

I I agree because you get to see his head twisted and bitten off, and then that's not the end of that kill because they're fighting in the same body later. Fighting in a blob.

SPEAKER_02

They do hint at his head being removed, at Pretorius' head being removed, and they show they show like the spine at the top, the neck, yeah, twisted, right?

SPEAKER_01

So we don't licking it.

SPEAKER_02

Bunny's licking it, so we don't know how it happened. So they give us that. This is how it happened, and that was really I like that. Like I've been waiting to know how it was, you know, looking like that.

SPEAKER_01

So I agree. And I think they did it on purpose, they didn't show that because they show so much. Why not show that? Uh unless you're gonna save it and keep us until the end. Could you escape this? Where did the victims go wrong?

SPEAKER_03

Don't go into a house with a 6666 benevolent street address. Like for sure. That's gated. That's red flag number one. It's gonna steer clear of that.

SPEAKER_02

Red flag number two is the axe, like when you walk in, and like this device needing like so much power. I'm like, I'm not going near this thing. This was not to code first. First time I saw flying eels and I I'm out.

SPEAKER_01

Why did they have to especially if it's sucked out of his arm?

SPEAKER_03

Cook no biscuits, I'd have been out. Right. Why did they have to stay in the house? Why couldn't they like come investigate, then be like, all right, let's go down to the Super 8 and chill. We'll come back later. Right. The doctor they're like cooking meals in the house. Kind of in charge. I ain't cooking meals on the other hand. Eating in there. Kidding me?

SPEAKER_02

Catherine was the the driving force on that. Catherine was in charge of Bubba and chilling gas. Yeah. So it was a whatever she said.

SPEAKER_01

Unless there was somebody who needed to get tackled or bullets fly. But Bubba should have left. Yeah. I would have left. Bubba fired me, man. Fuck that.

SPEAKER_03

If Dr. Catherine got in that leather right from the start, I wouldn't argue with leaving the house. But I mean, that's a good point. She's okay.

SPEAKER_01

Fine, I'll stay.

SPEAKER_02

Now we're gonna it brings us to who's the dumbest character. It's gotta be Catherine. It has to be Catherine.

SPEAKER_01

She can turn that goddamn thing on.

SPEAKER_02

She acts on her own to turn this thing on. She knows Pretorius died. She knows and well, once she knows Praetorius died, she thought it was by acts from Crawford, but then she turns it on and sees we've got this whole other universe that's there. So obviously Crawford didn't kill him. Exonerated Crawford Crawford, and then right, it's gotta be McCatherine, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I I have another pick. It's definitely but the neighbor lady. Oh, well, the neighbor go in there, doesn't even go in there. But my other one is it's the doctor or the orderly or whoever, the nurse, that when they're about to do the electroshock therapy, and then they get interrupted because Crawford's eating brains, and they're like, Crawford's getting away. They're like, they're like, Lock her up, we got to go deal with this. And she's already strapped down to this gurney. He starts like undoing the straps, and then she fucking gets away, beats him and gets away.

SPEAKER_01

He didn't know it was coming with.

SPEAKER_03

Why are you undoing her? She's already strapped down. Just be like, leave her strapped down, go out and lock that door. He's just a cat scan tech.

SPEAKER_01

He didn't know people like getting violent and attack you if they don't want to get a cat scan.

SPEAKER_03

Why are you undoing her straps? I felt locked up and you're undoing her straps.

SPEAKER_02

I felt a little bad for him there because like he had his finger on that button. This is probably his first time doing it. I'm gonna get to do it. You could see his pineal gland throbbing. But yeah, no, I no, it's yeah, I it's a good cat. Catherine but she was smart shaking them wrists for those eels. She made some spark. You're right. So like she had two motives. Her dad wasted away in one of these facilities with schizophrenia.

SPEAKER_03

So this was important to her. That's really an important motive, too. So it's important to know her background and why she cares so much.

SPEAKER_02

Remember Deep Blue C when it was like that was like the motive for the main lady in it? It was like her dad died from Alzheimer's or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It was like that.

SPEAKER_01

Better execution, but I'm but I'm voting for Catherine. Anybody got any fun facts other than she sold that Dominatrix outfit at a garage sale? Did I tell you that HP Lovecraft was a racist? I wonder how many times that was on eBay.

SPEAKER_02

Sealed in plastic. Sealed in plastic. Yeah. Still smells like the T was warm. My comment was gonna deal with smell. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Alright.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Mike, you bet on that, right? Yeah, but you lost budget. Yeah. Alright, what do we got?

SPEAKER_01

Gore score.

SPEAKER_02

One to ten. I like eight on this one. Maybe nine. It there's a lot of goo and dripping stuff and just some amazing stuff. Head ripped off, but like mostly the body horror stuff was eight, nine.

SPEAKER_03

We gave the thing eight and a half, so I gave this eight and a half. I agree. On par on that thing, you know, the the thing about like body horror.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Pun intended. Copyright pinning. So the thing about body horror, I get that it's it's you know, the gore score is high, it's gory, it's gross. But that doesn't bother me. Like if what about those kneecaps blown up? Right. It's the kneecaps. Like if if she had like cut her leg with uh with a razor blade or get into SM and like sliced up Crawford a little bit, that bothers me so much more.

SPEAKER_03

What about So it's like the gore score is like a six, but the gross score is like a nine. That's true. There's a gross score. It's more like a gross than a gore.

SPEAKER_01

What about Bubba's body after all those? That was gory. I mean, that was more along the lines of I could get behind that being gory and gross. But like the touching Pretorius and stuff like that. I mean it's gross, but it is you know, even in the the in the same body fight. We need to hash this out.

SPEAKER_03

We need to hash out this gross gore. Because I wonder if that lowers the thing's gore score then because we didn't hash that out before the first episode. I don't, but that's just well the thing also has like the thing was also like really bloody. Like subjectively even the bloody. It's more bloody than this, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

They made a whole monster out of blood.

SPEAKER_03

Let's drop it to eight.

SPEAKER_01

Seven and a half.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I'm fine with the eight.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, it's gory. Yeah. Like Mary could never watch this movie because she does not like gore. Right. I'm fine with the game.

SPEAKER_03

And it's a gore score.

SPEAKER_02

I'm fine with the eight, but I would be fine higher too.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. We'll do eight. Okay. But growth gross scale is like 9.5. Yeah. Which we don't have to we don't have to start doing both, because not all every movie is.

SPEAKER_01

Making something wet just makes it so much worse.

SPEAKER_03

Or better, depending on who you are. It made Charlie wet. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02

I want to say yes. At some point. He's on the short list folks.

SPEAKER_01

Put him in there. Short, short list. He's got a good body of work. Honey I shrunk to kids. I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_03

Is that what you're going to do? Is that a horror? Could you imagine being shrunken down? I mean, that's pretty scary. Almost run over by a limo or something.

SPEAKER_02

Why is there a scorpion in their backyard? Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Anyway.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Is that your next pick, Justin? Honey I shrunk the kids?

SPEAKER_01

The killer. So this will be Pretorius. Is he Hall of Famer?

SPEAKER_02

Or would it be Pretorius plus the whole dimension? Like it's it's that's too much. That's like zombies. I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say Prettorious doesn't make enough of an impression. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Are any of the heroes a protagonist Hall of Fame?

SPEAKER_03

Is the only protagonist really Bubba?

SPEAKER_02

Bubba Brown Lee. The question is, is McMichael's a protagonist? Is Crawford a protagonist?

SPEAKER_03

She keeps wanting to do the dangerous shit that they are complicit in.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Make bad decisions. They're not heroes. I wouldn't say heroes. Right. Bubba. But I'll put him on my squad. Yeah. Oh yeah, he'd be on my squad. He'll take them them hits.

SPEAKER_03

That should be with a heart on.

SPEAKER_01

Tight, tight brown underwear.

SPEAKER_02

I love that he didn't. He had zero fear of asking how does this explain my heart on? I love that. Just throw it out there and they went and made some biscuits and stew. We one of these mini episodes should be building a crew.

SPEAKER_01

Right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you think?

SPEAKER_01

Right. Your end of the world crew. Your end of the world crew. Taking on a monster, a zombie, some Dracula's.

SPEAKER_02

Is this the best Ken Fore? It's good. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, Ken Forey's Ken Forey. Yeah. I mean.

SPEAKER_03

He's more of a leader in Dawn of the Dead.

SPEAKER_01

He's a core four guy, yeah. But he's a funny, funny protagonist. But he's a terrible shot.

SPEAKER_03

Right. But flat boy. Yeah. Movie props. Any props? Ken Foray's underpants. Right.

SPEAKER_01

The Dominatrix outfit.

SPEAKER_02

There's several. If I could include the headless sketch on the ground of the body, that would be great. But I don't know how it would fit in.

SPEAKER_01

The resonator. I could pick the resonator.

SPEAKER_02

Resonator's great. If we'd have to do a small scale.

SPEAKER_01

But I could pick that up. Maybe a one-half scale. The the flying eagles? The flying eagles. Those are pretty recognizable.

SPEAKER_02

Mike brought this up earlier. Today they would F that up so bad with some CGI shit that like Yeah, that well, that was like CGI, but it wasn't.

SPEAKER_03

No, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_02

They made the models though. Like they just it looked digital. They filmed like a claymation.

SPEAKER_01

Right. What do you call it? Whether you take a picture, you stop motion. Stop motion photography. And they just overlaid the film. Right. One on top of the other. They made those. Yeah. Yeah, that was all practical. Okay. Okay, final thoughts. Any final thoughts?

SPEAKER_02

Makes me want to watch Reanimator again. Yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

I was thinking that a double feature, Reanimator, Barbara Reanimator.

SPEAKER_02

We haven't done the actresses or actors, right? So like Barbara Crampton and Jeffrey Combs, like they live in royalty as far as horror, royalty in my mind.

SPEAKER_03

Great chemistry in Reanimator. Different because they're enemies in that, and they're like on the same team in this. We can hash it out later. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is this was great. I believe I love this was just for one that I just was not on my radar, that never came up in my algorithm for any reason. Just it was just great. I'm a great pick, Charlie. A gem.

SPEAKER_01

Like when you brought pieces. Oh my god, I'll let you guys have this. So bad and so good. I I I how did I miss this?

SPEAKER_02

Okay. We can't put from beyond and pieces in the same.

SPEAKER_01

No, I'm saying the feeling is what I'm saying. You're glad you found it.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Like you like this, and I like that you found pieces. I get it. I completely understand. Okay, it's a thank you for recommending type of vibe for going. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_03

So I guess this we're done with this.

SPEAKER_02

We're done.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Put in the we don't have a next host. Our next movie is going to be a fan pick. Woo! Shout out to Nicole. Yeah. We have a fan that reached out that wants to do a movie for her birthday. And uh we're gonna do that for the 19th is coming. It's gonna be on May the episode drops on May 18th, if I'm not mistaken. On Monday, May 18th. It's gonna be heretic. You great rant, Sophie Thatcher. Good flick. It's a good one. A lot of dialogue. Very dialogue driven. Heavy. But it's good. I like this one. And it kind of has a slow start, slow burn. Not angry with having to do it. I like this one.

SPEAKER_02

We're gonna I feel like we're gonna touch on culture references and stuff. Beliefs and faith and all that stuff. We're gonna get real TV.

SPEAKER_01

It's gonna be a damp picking up transgender prostitutes, sex workers. Oh, we should talk about that.

SPEAKER_02

No, that's gonna come.

SPEAKER_03

I mean the good with the bad. Eddie Murphy, too.

SPEAKER_02

While he was with Elizabeth Hurley, let's see that's the why world of sports is going on here.

SPEAKER_03

Save for the pod. But anyway, but yeah. Yeah, we'll save it for the pod. Save it for the pod. Our fam really loves Hugh Grant, so we can't shit on him too bad.

SPEAKER_02

Not that we will, but you know, we'll we'll keep it to a minimum amount of shit.

SPEAKER_03

He's in a female lane that we're not in. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what the problem is.

SPEAKER_02

We'll have a whole talk about our favorite Hugh Grant roles. Love Actually. Heretic, Lair of the White Worm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Another horror movie. We'll take a look at that.

SPEAKER_03

Mug shot. All right. Do you want to take us out of here, Charlie? No. Oh, this is.

SPEAKER_01

You're so much better than I am at this.

SPEAKER_03

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SPEAKER_02

Don't forget to check us out on our YouTube podcast coming up, or YouTube show where guests are appearing on A Bloody Good Time.

SPEAKER_03

Is that what it's called? Yeah, it's already out there by the time this comes out. It's our it will it will be out there on YouTube for you to uh check out a bloody good time, a game show that we have we joined in over Christmas holiday.

SPEAKER_02

Hopefully we do better.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, we did their their Christmas game show, and now we're this one's just general horror, and we're excited to be on it. We're gonna be going hopping on there here shortly. But um when this episode when this episode drops, you can definitely jump on YouTube and check that one out and and see how we do. And check out a bloody good time. They're they're a lot of fun. They're great. So much fun. So much fun. Yeah, that's it. For Justin, Charlie, great pick with from behind beyond Atticus, who was here before he went to go play with his pickle. Ball ball.

SPEAKER_02

It's Pineal Pickle Ball.

SPEAKER_03

This is the all gut-so gory pod. Andy, take us home.

SPEAKER_05

This is the end, friend.