Hereditary (2018) Ari Aster's debut made heads roll | Charlie's Picks

It's so heartening to see so many strangers discovering the All Guts, So Gory Podcast. Charlie's Pick this week is the 2018 instant, disturbing, cult horror classic, Hereditary. If you're listening while in the car, keep your head inside the vehicle at all times. 

Hereditary was written and directed by Ari Aster, and stars Toni Collette, Gabriel Byrne, Alex Wolff, and Milly Shapiro.

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All Guts, So Gory is a weekly horror movie podcast hosted by Mike, Charlie, and Justin. Each week, one host picks a horror film of their choice—anything from cult classics and slashers to supernatural chillers and modern gore-fests—for the trio to dissect. With a mix of sharp insights, dark humor, and plenty of passion for the genre, All Guts, So Gory delivers lively discussions that celebrate the bloody, the bizarre, and everything in between. If you love horror movies, this is the podcast to sink your teeth into. 

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hey everybody. Next movie we're gonna do here is a great family movie. Mother, daughter, grandmother, there's father-son. I mean, it's just all about family and demons. It's like the family stone. This is the movie that's that will make you go, what the what just happened? Coming up next. On all got so gory, hereditary. A horror comedy.

SPEAKER_06 0:29

First light the candle, then choose an item that belonged to grandma, then read this out loud. It's to make things start. She isn't gone. I think my mother might have come up.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

Welcome to All Guts O'Gory. Our movie today is 2018's Hereditary. Hi, it's me, Charlie. Joined as usual with by Justin and Mike. And today, early in the podcast, we're bringing in Atticus. Yeah. Fresh off of his tour of Asian countries. Yeah. Just two of them. Plural. It's a plural. You don't have to say just two.

SPEAKER_04 1:38

More than that.

SPEAKER_03 1:41

All right. The movie Hereditary. We'll get to the the Asian tour a little bit. Hereditary. Okay. So like I said, this movie it there wasn't a lot of hype when it came out when I first it came on my radar. And the trailers really didn't give very much away, which was really good. Really? I don't remember them. It gave a lot away. I don't remember it that way.

SPEAKER_05 2:10

I just remember being like it didn't give a lot away, but it showed some key parts that I'm like. And what another reason I don't do trailers is like, I wish that would have just happened and I didn't see it, see three seconds of it.

SPEAKER_04 2:23

Yeah, I think I was not.

SPEAKER_05 2:25

It didn't give away like the twist or whatever. You're right about that.

SPEAKER_04 2:28

They did give away too much though. Peter slammed his head on a desk though. And I was like, And Steven.

SPEAKER_05 2:35

Steven on Steven being on fire.

SPEAKER_03 2:37

Maybe in a different movie. But when you put it in context, sure, it makes it more horrifying. Like just seeing some guy on fire doesn't really tell you what's gonna happen. But I mean, this movie, so you know, I like I said, I I didn't know a lot about the movie going in, and it was you know, supernatural, it was a little bit of buzz about the trailers for me, didn't give that much away. And I'm watching this movie, you know, and it you know kind of has a classic start where you know, hey, this happened, and you know, and then you're just like in this family, and you're learning about this family, and the the daughters' issues, the son's issues, the dad, the m and you know, the little miniature building stuff, and then it goes horribly sideways, and you think that's gonna be the worst part of the whole movie until you get to a rapid fire of the worst parts of the whole movie.

SPEAKER_05 3:31

They don't even seem like a close-knit family unit even before the bad stuff starts happening, right?

SPEAKER_03 3:38

I feel better. The dad, I feel like the dad is the good parent, the the nurturing parent, and you know there's something going on with them. And they let it lay it out pretty early that she did not have a good relationship with her mother.

SPEAKER_04 3:51

Gosh. When when she gets to the grief counseling, where it's like the loss to family grief counseling, and she lays out what's happened to her. I'm not gonna go into it. Well, I'm sure we're gonna go into it later, but yeah, you definitely know something's wrong, and dad is always watching for signs that she's spiraling, I think.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

And and that's the other thing about this movie, it's not just the holy shit moments, it's the there's just clues and Easter eggs laid out all the way through this movie, and you can watch this movie. I've watched this movie probably five times, maybe, which isn't a lot. I mean, but I was wearing the last last month, and I'm like, like, what the hell? So I'm like researching, I'm like, that happened. So I go back and I would watch that part of the movie, and I'd be like, holy shit, that is what did what and then and then reading other people's like explain this movie to me because it you know, for a lot of people, you know, those people who are sitting with you in the theater and they're like, What's happening? You're like, bruh, we're watching the same movie. I didn't write it. You got you're on your own, you figure it out and shut the fuck up. I'm trying to pay attention. The worst. And you know, we've all been there with people that are like, who's the right, and you know, they don't know they're like that, and it's really irritating, or they would stop. I would I feel like they would stop.

SPEAKER_04 5:11

I don't know. What do you think, Anticus? Mom doesn't no matter what. Even if you tell her to stop. She comes by it honestly. She gets a pass.

SPEAKER_05 5:21

She's your mom and your wife. That's true. So always just like, you know, they'll tell us in a couple of minutes. They're gonna tell us, and we'll all find out together.

SPEAKER_04 5:29

Like, just wait. Just wait, just wait.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

And that's the that's what is implied when I say shh.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

Normally I do the yelling to the teeth. Not at Sarah, but at uh at the kids when they're like scream, whisper, yeah, I can't lie.

SPEAKER_02 5:45

During the rewatch of this, I definitely was asking.

SPEAKER_04 5:48

Oh my gosh, Atticus was talking the whole thing, trying to make jokes. But I think this that speaks to how uncomfortable the movie gets, right? Yes, like you have to like cheer yourself up a little bit because it's pulling you down with the family. Yeah, it is. You are there. This is a very human story, most of it, and then there's some supernatural stuff too, but like it's like real grief they're dealing with, not just like crazy.

SPEAKER_03 6:11

Yeah, and it's it's believable. I mean, they they're all really good actors, actors in this book. Definitely, and you know, when people are on the floor crying, like, god damn, I think I that would be me, right?

SPEAKER_04 6:22

When yeah, after Charlie, it's Tony. That's that's raw right there.

SPEAKER_05 6:27

Yeah, the the Ariaster does a masterful job of just building up the dread and the tension, and we we can talk about it when we get to that scene, but how they just drew it out, they didn't show you much, right? And they just draw it out and draw it out, and all you see is Peter, and they you don't see anybody and they keep bringing it up, but you hear what's going on, you hear you hear the story that Annie's about to find out what's in weird.

SPEAKER_04 6:55

Peter has laid there staring at the same spot on the wall all night and morning, and then all of a sudden they do that tense pull away to the you know what happened, right? And it's like total opposite of they were sheltering us from the grow gore, and then boom, you're watching this, you're like, they're oh, they're not gonna show it.

SPEAKER_05 7:11

And then and then, like, oh my god, bam, that's it. There it is.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

There it is. And then they bring it up later where she's building a little model about just cries, letting you know, right? He's like, Annie is this is gonna fuck you up, and then I'm just gonna poke you while you're sitting there in trauma all the way through the movie. Okay, all right, so this came out in 2018. What was everybody doing in 2018?

SPEAKER_04 7:33

Lay and pipe. That's I used Charlie's lunch. Charlie used it, what'd you do?

SPEAKER_05 7:38

Was that the year your water main broke or something?

SPEAKER_04 7:40

It's 2018, not to replace the you know, sewer line. No, 2018. We had just moved into the new house. The kids are now first grade. First grade, yeah. But you took them to see this. I did not. This one I watched, I didn't watch in the theater. Watched it after I think your wife had been talking to my wife about how good it was and stuff. I planned to, but do you know how there's certain movies where you're like, this I have to be in the right state of mind to watch, right? I can't just, you know, I got I can't just jump right into this if I'm not 100% okay. Yeah. So you have to be 100% okay. So I watched it on my couch on the TV at like 11 at night. The one scene we just kind of hinted at happened. I jumped off my couch, was screaming, you know, like I was like, like, holy shit, you know, like pause it and we were walking around in circles. I was like, What is going on? I was walking around hoping Sarah would get up so I could say something to somebody, spill that to somebody. So I think the theater experience probably would have been better, don't you guys think?

SPEAKER_05 8:39

Oh, I mean, always, usually, to see this with other people and yeah, at least share that grief.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Right.

SPEAKER_05 8:46

There's no jump scares in this. Oh, yeah. So you wouldn't get like a theater full of people, like ah, like a shirt and shit, but I mean, there's some scary the the tension in the dread building was oh yeah, just crazy.

SPEAKER_04 8:56

I'll start off by saying I I this was a four out of five at least movie for me, acting, directing, tone set, everything. I I love it, but I hate it at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 9:07

Yeah, yeah. I the first time I saw this, and this was when the year that Justin, you took, you and Sarah took the kids and went to Disney around Halloween for horror nights. And we couldn't do the whole trip, but we came down for like three days and we did like the Halloween at Magic Kingdom with you guys. Yeah. And for the Halloween parade and all that stuff. And so the hotel we were at, we brought our Apple TV box to plug into the hotel TV. No, so we yeah, this is 2018, so we could like watch stuff that we were streaming or whatever, and not be subject to like, well, reruns of the office or the big bang theory are on or whatever, like or Raven's House. Yeah, so we just we brought our we brought our Apple TV box and watched stuff that was streaming, and hereditary was streaming, and it was like new to streaming at the time, and we're like, you know, hey, I heard this was really good. I've heard people talking about it. I don't think Mary Marie's ever been more disturbed at a horror movie. I think there was a lot of oh hell no said during like throughout or Jesus Christ, like when they reveal like Charlie, like when Charlie gets bludgeoned by the telephone polish, it's just like, oh my god. Like, and then I think it was probably on that trip, like the next day when we went and did the One Disney park with you guys that we were probably like, You guys need to watch Hereditary, it's disturbing, it's like, and then she probably said that to Sarah.

SPEAKER_04 10:31

Yeah, I was probably like la la la la la la.

SPEAKER_05 10:34

Yeah, so that's when we watched it was in a hotel streaming it in perfect Florida.

SPEAKER_04 10:40

At least you had each other. And then we then we told you guys about it. So yeah. Atticus, what I mean, you didn't see it in 2018.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

No, I didn't, but the first watch was at a sleepover. So I watched it with Ian at like 12 a.m.

SPEAKER_04 10:55

It's your troublemaking friend.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

So but like this, usually we make jokes while watching horror movies. We stayed like pretty dead silent during the whole movie. This is that kind of movie though.

SPEAKER_04 11:05

I'm surprised like you were well, how old were you?

SPEAKER_02 11:09

When I first watched it, yeah, with yes for me. 15 or 14.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

Okay, so a couple years ago. I'm surprised that you don't like the slow burn necessarily, and it starts off kind of slow until it jolts you away.

SPEAKER_03 11:22

Well, I I think it does start slow, but it it gives you a a mystery in the beginning. Like something's going on, and I don't I don't I'm not really sure what it is. So it it it kind of makes you uh it kind of speeds up the slow parts for you, and you're looking for like what's going on. Oh, there's a clue, and then you're like, you want the next clue to come along. So it kind of fills that slow part of the movie.

SPEAKER_04 11:45

You know, mom, you know, mom, grandma is a little different from the get-go. Annie had gives like a top ten worst eulogy.

SPEAKER_03 11:54

Guarantee there's some stuff in there that that you didn't see that makes it even more fun.

SPEAKER_04 11:58

Second time around, you see like the foreshadowings and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

Yeah, there was one part that I didn't catch until the last watch, and I was like, oh, that's even worse than I thought it was.

SPEAKER_04 12:08

Yeah, I was talking to Mike a little bit before we started, and I was like, I don't think it's flawless as far as the execution of what they were trying to do and where everybody was and where the entity was and how it happened, but I can I didn't care. Like I didn't care at all.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

Yeah, and that's a good movie where you can be like, you know, I know that I I can't really put my finger on what was wrong. Some I well there was this one part, and like I I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 12:32

Yeah, don't care.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

I don't like slow burns are like one of my favorite movies. Like, I love Get Out, okay, I love Heretic. That was our slow slow burn, yeah. Slow burn, but it just recently got passed as number one by Obsession. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

So and we're gonna do an episode on this pod about our quick reactions to obsession, but uh I haven't seen it yet. Oh my gosh. By the time we're done, you're gonna want to.

SPEAKER_03 12:56

Oh, I already want to. I'm taking Isaac went to go see it. I thought you went. No, okay. We went Isaac and I and Olivia went to see Backroom. Then I went to Virginia, and while I was gone, Isaac and his friend Jack went to go see Obsession. And Isaac has seen a lot of movies, and he's like, it's the best horror movie I've ever seen. And I was like, that's high praise. I'm hearing that a lot. Yeah. Should we should we spoil Obsession for Charlie? I'll walk out of this podcast right now after I finish my drink. I will walk right out of this podcast. After I get a refill.

SPEAKER_05 13:31

Maybe two.

unknown 13:32

All right.

SPEAKER_05 13:33

Kevin Spacey is Kaiser Sosay.

SPEAKER_04 13:35

Oops. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 13:37

The ultimate.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

Okay. So we covered that. We covered that. That's where you meant. When we covered when you saw the movie the first time, your relationship with the movie. Taglines. I mean, pretty straightforward. Every family tree hides a secret. That's true. Another one was evil runs in the family. That's the best one.

SPEAKER_02 14:00

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_05 14:01

What if that's I mean, that's the one on the poster, and I think that's hits the mark. That's short, it's concise, and it does. The grandmom sucks, the mom sucks. There's something wrong with Charlie. Not you, Charlie. Charlie in the movie. The other Charlie.

SPEAKER_04 14:16

It's not a mutual exclusive. There is something wrong with that.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

Dad committed suicide. Her brother committed suicide.

SPEAKER_04 14:21

Her brother committed suicide. Yeah, so and what a good title after you've seen the whole movie. Like once when you're watching it, it's hereditary. You're like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

It comes at you. I mean, like we've said it's just it's a slow burn in the beginning, but a lot of information is coming at you and you can't take it all in, and you kind of miss kind of like the little hidden Easter egg clues. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:43

This movie requires a rewatch for sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_04 14:46

Because you see people show up later in the movie that were planted earlier.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

I feel like the tagline should have been like, what the F-bomb. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:56

Right. Hey. It should have been hold on to your heads. No? No. Hold on to your heads. I mean, because we see how many, how many decapitations? Or don't lose your head. Yeah, don't lose your head. You this may yeah, knock your head up. Don't forget your epic. Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

I can't remember what the the whatever the king of hell's name is, but he was into decapitation. Yeah. Straight up into decapitation. Three of them, I think. Paymon. Paymon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:24

There was heads flying everywhere. So many heads. We get to I now know what it sounds like when one falls and rolls, you know.

SPEAKER_03 15:31

Yeah. I mean, they probably got it close. I mean, close. Like, you know, there would be somebody, some old guy who's in Korea, be like, that's exactly what it sounds like. Slow down, grandpa. Okay, so the box office. The budget was about 10 million bucks. I only did like 44 million in America and then like 90 worldwide. Success. It's a success. But I'm always surprised when this is a really good movie. And it's a really good horror movie. Beautifully shot. And it always surprises me when movies like this don't do a lot better. And then you do have then you have movies that are not as good objectively that that do two, three hundred million dollars.

SPEAKER_04 16:17

I can't remember which one it was that we were talking about was the headiest and heaviest. But this this takes the cake as far as movies we reviewed. So so this is Charlie's attempt. Like this is bringing the heaviest movie. And I think that keeps people like it's not a good time. And I think early re reviewers were probably saying this is a heavy movie. So that probably kept the number from maybe, you know.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

And really the only thing that makes this movie.

SPEAKER_04 16:41

It's still almost 100 million.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

Yeah. I've made nine times what they put in. You never really know exactly how much with marketing and all that stuff that comes after the budget.

SPEAKER_05 16:51

Budget. Yeah. Not much with A24, right? A24, they don't spend a ton of marketing, do they?

SPEAKER_04 16:58

No, not really. They don't need to anymore. Like they the card shows up on the screen. We're like, oh well, that's what you're doing. You know what you're doing. So Blumhouse became kind of like the fun brother. Uh, in the well, you know, when you compare the two. A24 is like the serious dad. The uncle that shows up to the birthday party a little drunk. Spikes the punch or whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:17

Blumhouse is what, like the purge that that was insidious. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:22

Yeah. Yeah, they got a lot of good stuff out there. That one, I can't. They had one a year. Where's that one where they like drove into this place where they had to get out of the house? Get out. No. Anyway, neither here nor there. I love saying that. Makes me sound really old. Okay. Director, writer, writer, director, whatever word you want to put that in. Ari Aster. Shortlist. I'm going to go ahead and jump. Already. I mean, his other movie, Midsummer. I mean, I know Mike loves that movie. Yeah. It's so good.

SPEAKER_05 17:54

It it is highly regarded. It's critically acclaimed. It's not my cup of tea. I'm not going to hold that against him. That's all.

SPEAKER_04 18:02

He like, as far as like just when he puts stuff out, the importance of him. I mean, he's Jordan Peel level, right? Like they're both for me, it's like I gotta see what he did.

SPEAKER_03 18:11

I will, I yeah, I definitely want to see. I have no idea who he is until I did the homework for this. So, I mean, I don't know how many more good movies he would have to put out that I would like recognize him if I didn't do homework. He's only done three horrors, to my knowledge.

SPEAKER_05 18:26

Whoa. You shouldn't call him that said horrors. Okay, right. So this hereditary, right? Midsumar, and Bo is afraid I haven't seen because it's three hours long. And I think it's a dark comedy psychological horror. Eddington, I watched, that's not that's not a horror. Eddington. Oh yeah, Paddington's brother. Eddington, it's two and a half hours, it's not a horror, but it's good. It tackles some some social commentary around COVID and police brutality from a certain perspective. And it's just such a fun hang, I bet. Yeah, it's I mean it's but it's it's a dark comedy, it's a satire on some of that stuff. You know, it's it was good, but it's not a horror. So if we're judging him on horror, I've only seen two of the two and a half or three horror movies.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

I wouldn't put him on the short list, but I think if he if he put out two more horror movies, if you put out if he put out two more horror movies at the same level as Hereditary and Midsummer, he would definitely be on the definitely on the list. Because these are two bangers.

SPEAKER_05 19:36

Yeah. I mean, three is our threshold, right? We kind of like Robert Rodriguez. I mean, if you have three bangers, like you can, you know, that's a career right there.

SPEAKER_03 19:48

All right, so these stars, the main actors. Annie, the mom, is played by Tony Collette, who's been in doing movies since the late 80s. She's a favorite.

SPEAKER_05 20:02

Justin's a fave of Tony Collette.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:05

Speak on it.

SPEAKER_04 20:07

Oh, and Tony Collette? Yeah, but she just like it's like it's like, why is this actress who's so good at everything in some of these movies, right? Like Krampus, for example, so good. No, she's just every time I see her, she's you know, she's human, right? Like she seems like a believable version of whoever she's playing, right? It's yeah, she's a good actor. Knives Out, maybe was like her hokey, one of her hokier ones, but still she was great. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, yeah. I loved it.

SPEAKER_05 20:32

Yeah, it's like Al Pacino and Jack and Jill.

SPEAKER_04 20:36

It's like, what the fuck are you doing here?

unknown 20:38

What?

SPEAKER_04 20:39

Did you get lost on the soundstage?

SPEAKER_03 20:43

He said he he just stumbled in, says he wants to be in the movie. All right, give him this. We'll write it.

SPEAKER_04 20:47

Adam Sandler was like, hey, god damn. And if that's Dolly. Throw back to our Dolly episode. And Annie, this is one example of if Michael Jackson said Annie, are you okay? I'd said no. No, Annie is not okay. Why are you asking such stupid questions? Yeah, Annie is not okay.

SPEAKER_05 21:06

You've been waiting 21 minutes to inspire that.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

You know he had that in the holster. He's just like his hands just like twitching on it the whole time.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Are you any?

SPEAKER_04 21:19

Are you okay? Okay. Any thoughts on Tony Collette? I've just seen knives out, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Knives out with her in it.

SPEAKER_04 21:27

I saw her like when she showed up, like, she's an Aussie, you know, she's in, so she's an import. When I saw Muriel's wedding, which was like 20 years. She was she was awesome. And ever since I was like, I like her, so I'm gonna enjoy this role. So that she's good.

SPEAKER_05 21:43

Yeah, really good in the sixth sense. So good, you know, another one where she's a great mom. And then that was a joke because she's not a great mom. But she acts the shit out of this role. It was oh, yeah. I mean, some people might be like, she's overdoing it. I don't think so. She she Like on point, and I think this was an Oscar-worthy performance, and the Oscars did this movie no justice because it was not nominated for any Oscars, which is horseshit horseshit. But this was this was 2018, and which isn't that long ago, it's only eight years. But they have not yet recognized horror regularly, like they started doing around like 23, 24, and 25. Yeah. Sinners, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:27

What Sinners Weapons, Stepsist, a bunch of stuff like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:32

All right, try uh Millie Shapiro, Charlie.

SPEAKER_04 22:36

She, I don't know how they found her. I don't know where they found her because I didn't do this, but like perfect for this role. Whoever did casting for this movie, like if they should, I mean, they they should be doing so much business. If that would have been like Jenna Ortega or something, it wouldn't have worked, right? I'm not saying I'm not saying the even the race stuff, but like I'm saying, like, if that would have been a cute, you know, passing, you know, kid that passes like a normal kid, it wouldn't have worked. And she I don't know if they did too much makeup or anything, but I mean she looks different.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

It did, I think they did too much makeup because when I first saw the first time watching the movie, I saw the character and I was like, it's different. Is she wearing like a prosthetics of some sort? Right. You know, and I don't know, I don't I've seen a picture of her after after, you know, just on IMDb, and she looks pretty much the same, but it's still every time I watch it, it does still look like she's got something on her Yeah, something like that. Cheeks bigger, cheek or something like that. Yeah, something like that. I don't know. But perfect. Yeah. Okay. Gabriel Byrne. Gabriel Byrne? Byrne? Yeah, usual Cesphone. Steve usual F and Cesar. Yeah. We just talked about that. Great character actor. Irish? Yeah, he's Irish. Question mark? Yeah. He's really good. And this the dad's character is kind of really passive the whole time during the show and doesn't really almost too passive. Almost too passive.

SPEAKER_05 24:09

I only say almost. He's too passive.

SPEAKER_03 24:11

I I'll get to that later. But he the actor did a great did great. He did he he was totally believable. He can only do what is in the script and what he's being directed, but I think he did a lot with the part and did really well.

SPEAKER_04 24:31

You can tell this house is a powder cake, right? And like anything can set this thing off. And you know, no pun intended with what uh with Andy tried to do the kids when they were younger, but like, but yeah, like he's trying his best to be that calming force in this.

SPEAKER_03 24:46

This could have easily been a drama for the rest of the movie. Yeah. And I think the casting would have been perfectly sound the way it stayed.

SPEAKER_04 24:56

Just a drama about some awful things that happened in people's lives. Yeah, they dealt with it. And do they get through it? We don't know. Play it straight, it would have been a good movie. Obviously, I wouldn't have liked it as much. We wouldn't be talking about it today, but no, we wouldn't, but still would have worked.

SPEAKER_03 25:09

Alex Wolf, best name of all the actors on the movie. Oh, plays Peter. Peter Wolf. I mean, are they were they going that way? Do they call him you know jokes on the set?

SPEAKER_04 25:21

Atticus, what's your experience with Alex?

SPEAKER_02 25:23

I really like him. He's a good actor.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

He's an old, which is just I nobody you're not gonna get many people saying old was good here. I liked old. It was a unique idea, but it was a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Who is the director?

SPEAKER_04 25:39

M. Night M. Yeah. Yeah. Don't forget Jumanji's. Oh, and Jumanji's I like the Jumanji's.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

For the small like couple minutes, he's in it. Because he's not actually in it. Yeah, he's the young version of The Rock, right?

SPEAKER_04 25:53

He's the out in real world version, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:56

Doesn't go in the video game.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

Yeah. So he's in the movie. Wait, he doesn't go, he's not one of the four.

SPEAKER_04 26:01

He is he does go in the video game. But he's not apparent. Like you don't see him in the video. You see like he's at the beginning, it's sucked in. And then part of the thing. And then he's the rock. Yeah. You're the rock. All right. How'd you know? And then there's a lot of. Shout out to my mom, by the way. It's her birthday today while we're recording. I love you, grandma.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

Happy birthday.

SPEAKER_05 26:27

Are you doing this in honor of your mom? Because it's a movie about moms. Moms about moms. Moms and grandmoms' movies. Great mom's Day movie. Yeah. Great Mother's Day movie. Justin, your mom's a little bit better than this. Just a little bit by a lot. A little bit.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

A little bit. She's only tried to kill me once.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

And then really the only other character worth mentioning because there's a lot that just kind of come and go. Joan. Joan. Who's kind of like that catalyst between you don't figure out until later what's going on with her, but then it makes perfect sense what she does. Joan, Joanne.

SPEAKER_04 27:00

Joan's great. And he does. She, her character, I was telling that against this, could be an awesome CIA agent. Yeah. Because she played Amy like a fiddle. Like a fiddle. Yeah, she did.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

Have you guys seen Handmaid's Tale? I have not.

SPEAKER_04 27:15

My wife loves her. She's Aunt Lydia of Handmaid's Tale. Okay, okay. I've I've seen one episode, so maybe I saw her.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

And she does it really, really well in that show. And is completely unlikable. I believe it. While mildly sympathetic. I mean, it's really really a problematic character. Anyway. Okay, so let's just let's just jump in the movie. I got a rough outline. Stop me if you want to hit me if you want to hit more on a specific scene. But my outline is pretty general. But there's some things in there I want to point out. Plenty of stuff. Of course. We'll jump in. Okay, so the movie begins with they're getting ready for the funeral of Annie's mom. I can't remember the name of her. Ellen. Ellen. Ellen. Grandma, Mom, Ellen. Oh no, no. It starts off with they're looking at the The obituary. It gives it like an obituary. Right. And then it cuts to like the little dollhouse thing where it zooms in and then it's the room with the dad waking up Peter.

SPEAKER_04 28:23

Atticus loves that transition. I was already at transition.

SPEAKER_05 28:26

Is this gonna be this kind of movie? Oh no. Artsy. Artsy bolt. I thought it was gonna be a Wes Anderson. So I did for a minute. I'm like, ah god, here we go. If you're family in love are the most important thing. It's already 130 minutes long, and it's gonna be this. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

If you like watch uh When I saw the TV glow, so many people like it. It's such a bad movie. It's so artsy fartsy.

SPEAKER_04 28:48

I didn't like it. It's also an A24.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

So Artsy Farsey is also in A F.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

Artsy Fartsey, you you tend to go towards A24. Yeah. But yeah, W transition as Atticus said. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

And then so he's dad wakes up Peter, and then he's your suit, throws it in. He's like he's looking for Charlie, and like she slept in the treehouse. She slept in the treehouse. Charlie's Faral. So you you get idea right away that something's off. Something's off. Something's off. I mean, it's a great treehouse. Yeah. It's a big treehouse.

SPEAKER_05 29:24

You ever have you ever have days where you like when you're a kid and you just want to like throw a tent in the backyard and sleep outside? Yeah, I do that. More often than as an adult, because it is adult. It was like it was the transition of like going from like, I'm gonna build a blanket fort in my bedroom and sleep in that. And then once you're like 11, 12, 13, it's like, let's pitch a tent in the backyard and asleep in that. Yeah, never mind.

SPEAKER_04 29:45

Kids are crazy. Kids, kids will jump in a cold ass pool and they'll be like, that's great.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

That's not even cold pools are good.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

Yeah. Okay. So they're you know, hey, Charlie, relate, mom's already in the car. Funeral. We gotta go to the funeral, so they get everything. They're going to the funeral, they're at the funeral, and there's Ellen. Ellen's by Ellen's in the Ellen's in the casket with her head. That's important. That's important later. She still has her. So she's she's in the coffin. Annie goes up, and then you know gives the worst eulogy. Charlie goes up. And that is that when she's talking about the scene. Kind of like smiles at her. Some of the plants, some of the people that you'll see later. Oh, and when the mom's giving her eulogy, she's talking about so many. It's hard to see so many strangers here. Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 30:43

But my mind is not a little bit more. You don't think much about it until you watch this the second time.

SPEAKER_04 30:47

And she even said, Oh, they're all cult members. She even said mom had her strange rituals, her her private rituals. It's like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

Something something's up with mom. Yeah. So and I think they worked in a sneaky and really effective way to give us exposition by the eulogy and uh the obituary, the eulogy, then later on when she's in the grief survivor thing. I was gonna mention that too. They did a really, really good job. And they dumped some stuff and that I didn't catch until I watched it, you know, third or fourth time.

SPEAKER_04 31:25

Yeah, Charlie notices some weird things like people touching Ellen's lips, and the necklace is very prominent in the casket with the symbol that we're gonna do. The symbol that should a lot in there. But yeah, that's that's the funeral. Okay. So was it on the way home that he gets the call from the city? No, they were a week later. Okay, okay. It was a week later, he gets a phone call. Is that the next scene though, or no? What's the name? I thought I think it is next screen.

SPEAKER_05 31:54

Is there something I'm missing? Well, Charlie draw is in the bed and she's drawing pictures of grandmom and and Annie's like, you know, grandmom was she you were her favorite. Right. And I think then she's like, Grandma wanted me to be a boy, or something like that. And like, who'll take care of me? Yeah, and then Annie starts going through all of her mom's old boxes and starts finding some.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

One one thing that she dropped on Charlie was about when you oh grandmom breastfed. Yeah, no, she didn't say that, did she? She said she wanted to feed her. We see it. And she let it, but we see it later. Yeah. But she was like, she wouldn't let me feed her if she was the one that wanted to feed you. And I was like, okay, that's not like that's weird.

SPEAKER_05 32:36

But in one of the one of the minis she that Annie makes praise it.

SPEAKER_03 32:40

Which I didn't catch till the last time I watched, I was like, oh my god, that's what was going on. Grandma was breastfeeding Charlie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:48

And when she goes on the t-shirt, she's going through some of the stuff in the box, and you know, I think some stuff starts getting weird because she's going through the box of the old cult shit. Right, the spiritual incantations are and then I think that's when we get cut to Charlie in school the next day, and the bird hits the window.

SPEAKER_04 33:05

I think we see the ghost, the apparition of Ellen right after she's through the box. And we're just like, oh, she's just seeing shit. Yeah. Right. But yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:14

So the bird hits the window and it's the wind. Who the fuck is giving Charlie these whole candy bars, by the way? Like the first half of the movie, well, while she's alive, she's just housing whole big ass candy bars.

SPEAKER_04 33:26

They weren't they weren't subtle about like they laid the foundation that she's allergic to nuts. Who's got nuts in it? You got your pen. It's got nuts in it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Yeah. So of course that's gonna play into it. Yeah, it's Chekhov's chopped nuts. Yeah. So like a week after the funeral, the dad gets a phone call from the funeral home or the cemetery or whatever. Don't forget, she cuts the bird's head off with some scissors.

SPEAKER_05 33:49

Oh yeah, she does do that.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

I thought that happened after we all done before. That's before.

SPEAKER_05 33:53

Okay, the next thing is I think then is the phone call, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

But they also showed Peter Caesar do it in school. Um they just had Charlie in school, they had Peter in school, and they're talking about I don't know what book they were talking about, but uh it was about like something Greek, something about and they didn't have control what was worse, if they knew about it or didn't, and it was worse than if they didn't know about it because they really had no choice the entire time, which kind of lays out strangely the rest of the movie. Right.

SPEAKER_04 34:28

They do a lot of that. Did we talk about how this was received at the box office critically, or do we want to do that later?

SPEAKER_03 34:34

Oh, the Rotten Tomato was 90. 90, Pomp Audience 72, which I could get. I mean, that's a lot of Metacritic 87. 87. That is fire.

SPEAKER_05 34:46

I can I I have a theory on why the fan score is almost 20% lower than the critic score. What's your theory? What's the thing? It's they don't like seeing groups. It's over two hours long, and there's no jump scares. Okay. I think people are like, could have cut some out, could have been scarier, even though it was disturbing. Yeah, common complaint was too slow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

Too slow.

SPEAKER_02 35:05

I disagree. But I disagree as well. Maybe you just need to slow your role.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

So the dad gets a phone call. Dad gets a phone call, something happens. What does that mean? Desecration. Desecrated.

SPEAKER_05 35:20

Yeah, I'm like, aren't you a smart guy? Like, don't you know what desecrated means? Yeah, but like there's degrees of desecrating.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

But I mean, like, I don't think he he was asking what does that word mean? I think they're like, what do you mean? Well, how desecrated is designated.

SPEAKER_04 35:36

They dug this thing up. They dug it up. Oh, it's more than desecrating.

SPEAKER_05 35:39

They played this to the close. And they didn't just vandalize the headstone or something.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

There was some head vandalization, but not the headstone. Should we jump right into the I'm gonna go with so Annie starts going to the bereavement group. Oh, right. And she lays down. So she's going to the movies. Right. Worst. Like nothing. And she did say that like I was forced to do this two years ago. Right. And then you're like, oh, what was she? Well, I'm gonna go see Deadpool. What was she? Why was she forced? Was this like a court order thing?

SPEAKER_04 36:12

But we find out why later. She wasn't forced though, because the homeboy didn't even know she was going though.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

But not that one. Okay. Therapy type of thing. So then she drops a bunch of more a bunch more exposition about her family. Her dad died when she was a baby. Killed himself. Yeah. Her brother hanged himself. Was schizophrenic. Turns out he was not schizophrenic. He was going to be the first host of Pyman? Pyman. Pyman. King Pyman. Yeah. King Pyman. And then the suicide letter, he blamed his mom. For putting people in him. For putting a bunch of people in him. He wasn't schizophrenic.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

She was literally. Right. And she, Ellen, was diagnosed with DID, which is, you know, dissociative identity disorder, which is split personality. So I assume that she was carrying something too. You know, maybe Pyman for a while or something. But you know, there's all kinds of Ellen was diagnosed with DID. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:17

So Grandma. Grandma.

SPEAKER_04 37:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

Could be.

SPEAKER_04 37:20

All kinds of shit. This is a real shit.

SPEAKER_03 37:22

I feel like Annie also has the split personality disorder. That's those times where she's like, I know what's going on. Like when she laid with when she turpentined the kids in herself and was going to kill everybody. Sleepwalking was really DID, right? Yeah, that was her going to like, I can't let this happen. This has to stop. That's how we're going to do it. And then she wakes up. Right. Right. Okay. But that's a little bit more down the road. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:50

Grape desecrated. Shit starts happening. Like Charlie starts walking off in a field.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

Yeah. Yeah, and sees her grandmother in that circle of fire. Right. And then Annie's like mean as shit. Oh my gosh. They're all kind of.

SPEAKER_05 38:03

I'm like, she's still on your property. She's mean at her because she was like in airfox. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:09

Yanked her on hard.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

She's just fucking mean. I've really felt sorry for Charlie a lot with her interactions.

SPEAKER_05 38:15

Especially because there's something wrong with her. And it the first time you watch this, I think you think there's like special needs, and it's not that she's possessed by a demon.

SPEAKER_04 38:22

But she's in a regular class. But she I don't know what she's doing.

SPEAKER_05 38:26

She's very quiet about this, but it is living in her that.

SPEAKER_04 38:29

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:30

You don't know that. You think there's like something going on else. Yeah. Some sort of anxiety.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

Maybe maybe that was you know explains the head bird. Yeah. Chop.

SPEAKER_05 38:40

She's chopping birds, heads off. Shopping birds' heads. Our pets' heads are falling off. Pretty bird. Pretty bird.

SPEAKER_04 38:48

You know what that's romantic? Not the dumb and dumber. Dumb and dumber. Oh, we know some head chopping.

SPEAKER_03 38:54

There's some climate action going on there. Pollywater cracker? Pretty bird. Anyway. Okay, so this is where we get to the party. Peter's a stoner. He's running with a rough. Well, he's running with the loser stoner crowd. Yeah. He's like, hey, we got a party. You know, bring your dick.

SPEAKER_01 39:15

Ring music was that was great. That's a great thing. That was great. I'm gonna have to use it. I'm gonna start using that.

SPEAKER_04 39:21

Hey, if we're recording this week, bring your dick. Bring your dick. Awesome. So yeah, you can tell from the get-go that there's we don't know. We don't know what happened until Joan, until she tells Joan about the fire thing, right? The turpentine or whatever. But you can tell Peter, there's an unease between Peter and his mom because he's like beating around the bush just asking for the car. Like this is a tense exchange already. And she's like, for what? What do you mean? It's she's not a good mom. Can we agree? We've already said that.

SPEAKER_03 39:52

It doesn't seem like she's they.

SPEAKER_05 39:54

I mean, I'd be asking those questions like, what do you need the car for? Where are you going? But it seems a little extra. But the way it's the little, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:00

Take your sister, which to that I would not be doing. Says, I'm trying to force you to act a certain way because your sister's around, so you're coming.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

That's exactly what I read it. Well, you can't get crazy because your sister's there. Little does she little does she know.

SPEAKER_05 40:14

Why does this family own two of the same Volvos but in different colors?

SPEAKER_04 40:18

Hey, the safety, the safety results on Volvos are fantastic. Volvos are they fantastic?

SPEAKER_02 40:24

If you meet the windows up, I mean a child lock on the back window would have been helpful. Yeah. Well, I think that it was like planned that like child lock broken.

SPEAKER_04 40:33

Yeah, they would have. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:35

Like we got we got the we got the van that we a Chrysler Pacifica for the family van, and Mary Marie's Honda's got 240,000 miles on it. I think when the Honda goes up, we're not gonna be like, you know what, we need a second Chrysler Pacifica. I don't think we're gonna be doing it.

SPEAKER_03 40:49

I'm looking at Charlie on this one. How many Odysseys do you have? I had two Odysseys at one time. Did you?

SPEAKER_04 40:54

Yeah, he's gonna be first in line for the movie, the Odyssey. Just loves Odysseys. Love it. It's the way it's so yes, on the way to the party, we see the poll. We see I don't recognize this until you see it again. The second time is like, okay, we know, but it does it does zoom in and there's a symbol on it. I I do believe after the first time I watched it when they showed the head or whatever, I was like, we that pole was foreshadowed right there. Right. But on the second time, obviously, we're like, that's the one. That's that son of a bitch, Paul. Motherfucker came out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_03 41:31

So it's like the only pole. Like this random, right? Right. You would think there's only that one pole. That one pole. It's got nothing connected to it. Right. So we are we go to the party. Of course, Peter wants to go off and get stoned. He did bring his dick, so he wants to use that too. So he's you know, sets Charlie down. She's doing her own little thing, working on her little, you know, I don't know what she was working on. Something she draw. She's a crafty. Yeah. She was building something with uh a leatherman tool or you know, pliers or whatever. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

And then that wasn't that was that classroom.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

No, that was in the classroom. She was eating the cake. Oh, that was doing that to party, too.

SPEAKER_02 42:08

She was eating the cake at the party.

SPEAKER_04 42:09

That's what comes later. So have you ever seen so many pecans chopped up on a board before in your life?

SPEAKER_03 42:16

So Peter is like, sees a girl he wants to hit on. Yeah. It's like, I asked some good dope. Let's go in the back. She's like, okay. Smoke. And then he's like, okay, Charlie, why don't you just go have some cake? I don't know anybody. It's chocolate cake. Nobody knows anybody here. Just go have some chocolate cake.

SPEAKER_04 42:35

That's the tagline for the movie. Right. Don't eat chocolate cake. No, it's chocolate cake. Nobody knows. Chocolate cake is nuts. There you go. Bingo. If you go too nuts, you lose your hands.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

So she's she's got the cake and she's going after it. And housing it. Then she kind of like does a little thing like that's weird. But then she goes back to it, Peter. She yeah. He's smoking up with what's her name? With what's her name in some interesting. Which I feel like he was kind of disappointed when she's like, hey, there's a bong in the other room. And she he's like, Oh, just you and me. Oh, yeah. And then she there's a bunch of guys in there.

SPEAKER_04 43:12

Bunch of chicks and stuff. Yeah. Did you you want to quote the part where she's talking about how Charlie drew her?

unknown 43:21

Oh no, I don't.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

You can.

SPEAKER_04 43:24

She made me look Rward. Yeah, I'm so sad. She does say that she's just Charlie. That's just Charlie.

SPEAKER_03 43:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:33

She does say that.

SPEAKER_03 43:35

Okay. So he's in there, bong in hand, going at it, and Charlie comes in and says, I can't breathe. And he knows immediately. Yeah. He knows. So grabs her up. Good brother. I mean, like, he wasn't like holding her hand. He picked her up, took her out to the car. He's gonna get her to the hospital. He is driving crazy crazy fast for a Vovo station wagon. He's doing like 70, 80. Oh, that's an open road, man. You could get up to like 150. Oh, yeah. It was still in Utah. It doesn't really lay down where they are, other than you know, it's mountains, there's woods. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:14

Somewhere in the Rockies. Yeah. Rockies northwest, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 44:17

So did he get up to 88? He may have. I mean, like.

SPEAKER_04 44:21

He was about to time travel, right? You're going to see about the time travel.

SPEAKER_03 44:25

And turns out that's the exact speed you need to decapitate somebody with a telephone pole and a Vobo. Because he's driving. She starts, she rolls down the window. I mean, I don't even can't even imagine what that's like to feel your airway just closing. Like trying to breathe through like one of those straws you get with a coffee cup. She feels it. We feel it. We feel freak out. I'm like holding my breath. It's like when you see somebody swimming underwater holding their breath, you reflexively kind of hold your breath. Right. So like I'm sitting there watching this, having a hard time breathing too, and she's opens the window. I'm like, don't open the window. She's like stick your whole body. She's Labradoring it out the window. And Peter is like looking back and he's flooring it. And then there's like a dead deer in the road. He swerves. We see the pole. We see Charlie. Which we hear the collision. Then we just see her hoodied torso. You don't even see that. Yeah, we don't. Yeah, just briefly.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Briefly, like snaps. It's just like snaps.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

And then he like immediately are you okay? And then he's just catatonic. Catatonic drives home.

SPEAKER_04 45:43

I would say if he would have hit that deer, they both would have died. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

But like you didn't see that bad.

SPEAKER_03 45:49

It's a Volvo. It's buckled in. They would have survived. And deer would have flown over the roof. Well, no, she wasn't the girl. I think she would have died. That's right. She was. She died either way. But at least then it would have been like he would have rolled over, ambulance wouldn't have showed up.

SPEAKER_04 46:05

We'll we'll talk about this in a bit, but I think the decapitations are important for the story. I think it's part of the it is. It's part of the ritual, if you will.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

It is, yeah. And like before, like like when you snap back, you see a tear and then he drives, which is like it's like heartbreaking.

SPEAKER_04 46:21

This yeah, because like you want to blame him, but like he did, he acted on instinct. He could have called 911 at the party. Like he should have, but I'm sure. And another beat, if they would have done one more of him thinking, seeing the weed and stuff, like and like trying to not get them in trouble. One more beat would have could have answered why he didn't get it.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

But he could have called 911 and said, I'm heading to the hospital. Right. Took off driving. I'm driving this. If I seen the ambulance lights on, I'm gonna flash, and that's gonna be us. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 46:49

I mean, true. I mean, but he's 16. He's 16. It was amazing that he got her in the car and was gonna take her to the hospital. His sister got hurt on his watch. Just the just the nut allergy part. Where was the epi pen? Can we talk about that?

unknown 47:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:04

That's the funeral.

SPEAKER_03 47:06

We don't have the epi pen. I hope that doesn't have nuts in it. Right. Like, of course you have the epi pen.

SPEAKER_04 47:11

Always. Yeah, like they didn't even have it at the funeral. And if you're sending it, if you're sending him off with her to a party where there might be food, she can't they can't trust her because they had to ask her.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

Does that have nuts in it, right?

SPEAKER_04 47:25

Yeah. And she didn't ask.

SPEAKER_03 47:27

Like, no. So I feel like that's something's happened in the past where she's gotten a hold of something with nuts, not even thinking about it, and they had to scrum around, find the Epipan. Who knows where it was?

SPEAKER_05 47:39

But you gotta call somebody, man. He just he just sits there, he drives home, he lets her leaves the body in the backseat. He doesn't look, he doesn't check, he doesn't get the he I don't know. They do an awesome job of like we know like once you it's a great scene the way they do it, but if you put yourself in his shoes, like nobody's doing this.

SPEAKER_04 48:01

Once you verbalize it, it happened. So right. So I think once you say this happened to Charlie, it is real. I think with him being catatonic and ignoring it and trying to deny it, go to bed, that was his way of protecting himself for as long as he could, right?

SPEAKER_03 48:17

So when I saw this scene, I was like, that's not how anybody reacts. And then it made me think, oh wait, that is how people react. Because in high school I read this short story called A Stone Boy, which they actually made a movie about it where I think it was two brothers go out. They have a one of them has a gun, they're they live out in the country, and they're crossing this fence, and he accidentally shoots and kills his brother. And then just kind of stands there and then just goes about what he was doing and goes home, and then they find I mean it's it's set up exactly the same way.

SPEAKER_04 49:00

Two people would do it. I think it's just a snap with reality for a second, right? Yeah, and this we talked about this a little bit in the intro, but this next scene is brilliant the way it's shot. Like just focusing on Peter, him hearing her get by, I'm going to work or whatever. I'm going taking the car, her closing the door.

SPEAKER_05 49:19

Most horror movies would show Annie getting her purse. I'll see you later, going out the door, walking out. We would see the headless body in there, we'd see her face and her freak out. We just but no, we just see Peter and we hear the rest of it.

SPEAKER_04 49:33

Realizing it once she gets to the car, effective. She it's it does you hear a like a what the heck kind of thing, but then she as the realization happens, the scream, and then Peter's like, okay, and it closes eyes.

SPEAKER_05 49:44

It's a great, it's a it's great because a lot of movies it's what you don't see that's scarier, and you're like, Oh, this is so scary because you don't see it, except then he shows you, and it's like, oh shit, he is showing us. That is literally the and then that's even scarier with their hands. The head on the side of the road, a car is driving by, oh, or ants all over it, the face is fucked up. Oh my god. Big ants, too. Fire, hard cut to it.

SPEAKER_04 50:09

Hard cut, yeah, center of the frame, like what was it? Like some kind of music in the some kind of score in the background. It was just like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

And they never once at all ever say, Why didn't you just leave her in the car? Why did you just go to bed? Why didn't you just come and tell us at the dinner? But she wouldn't, she didn't say that. She she did it.

SPEAKER_04 50:30

If you would have apologized, yeah, we'll get to that in a moment. Right.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

She they never talked, they never asked that question, they never discuss, which I thought would be the more realistic way. But I I don't make movies, I'm not a writer, I'm not a director. I don't know how they would have worked that in with and made him sort of still a sympathetic character.

SPEAKER_04 50:51

Atticus, what are your thoughts on this whole scene from party to Peter laying in bed?

SPEAKER_02 50:59

Just how'd you react in real time?

SPEAKER_04 51:02

How did you and he react?

SPEAKER_02 51:03

Did you know it was coming? Did we know like the head was coming off? No. We were like making jokes. So we were making jokes at the beginning, but like when the head came off, it kind of like stopped.

SPEAKER_03 51:18

That's like, guys, guys, we gotta be serious. Stop funny anymore, guys.

SPEAKER_02 51:22

It was kind of like a O like F word. So yeah. Fuck. I I do say it outside, but I don't know. I can't say it around my dad. He's too innocent.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

He's too innocent. I've seen some shit.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

Okay, so so then we do great scene. Annie's funeral.

SPEAKER_05 51:42

So we get or Charlie's funeral. Yeah, briefly. They're just putting her in the ground. Right. Also briefly. Mom's wailing. Still wailing. Still wailing. The little I mean, anytime there's a little casket, they're loading the ground. It's like, oh my god. Right. Too young. It's awful to see. Of course.

unknown 51:59

I'm coming back to that.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

Annie or Peter, you know, you still you know he blames himself. You know he's not doing good. And but you you kind of understand and expect that nobody in that family is gonna be doing good.

SPEAKER_04 52:18

This acting, I know you guys touched on it a little bit, but when she's on the ground just wailing and like flailing herself forward, and Gabriel Byrne, what's his name? Steven is trying to hold her, and she's just like, I just wanna die. I just wanna die. It's so raw, it's so great though. I mean, it makes me give me a shit.

SPEAKER_03 52:37

And you know, having my own kids, I could see myself doing that exact thing. Because every day you're gonna have to wake up.

SPEAKER_04 52:45

Every time you see that car, you're gonna have to know what happened there. Oh, they're gonna go outie. Done with Vovos. Maybe a sob.

SPEAKER_05 52:51

Maybe a sob.

SPEAKER_03 52:53

Maybe.

SPEAKER_05 52:54

Okay, so uh we Is the next scene the dinner scene? I believe it is.

SPEAKER_04 53:00

I think it takes there's like some scenes and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

No, there's just the funeral and then the brief where they just put her in the casket and like she's crying and wailing.

SPEAKER_04 53:08

But like he smokes the weed at the school.

SPEAKER_03 53:13

Didn't hold my hand. His friends are dirt bags because dude just killed accidentally. Or what it wasn't accidentally, it was set up, it was fated. It was fated by the demon uh the king of one of the kings of hell, and his shitty ass friends are they're all just talking about smoking and having a good time. Guys calling their girlfriend princess. He's like, Are you okay? Yeah, he's freaking out, he's like, Hold my hand, and that guy deals like oh like like a little wince flinch, like I don't want to hold your hand. Okay, like, dude, like be a friend.

SPEAKER_04 53:50

I made that joke last night, too, when I was watching it. Yay. Obviously, it's not. Obviously, it's not, and he's definitely going through some shit.

SPEAKER_03 54:00

And it'd be okay if it was. I mean, but like all these little scenes, there's no throwaway scenes. I mean, so good editing, too.

SPEAKER_04 54:07

I don't know how many cut scenes there were, but and at this point, she she does go to the grieving support group and leaves, tries to leave. And this is where Joan stops implants herself into the right.

SPEAKER_03 54:21

Hey, Joan's just perfectly perfectly outside, waiting for you to drive in that direction.

SPEAKER_04 54:27

That's what I'm saying. CIA agent.

SPEAKER_05 54:29

I remember you from your mom, I think she says to her, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:33

But she didn't know at this point. She didn't know Joan was bad, but Joanna. Joan knew her mom. Yeah. Cold. Okay. So where are we? We the dinner scene. The dinner scene, which is really really heavy, and it's just like part of like they could have cut out, they could have kept going, and this would have just been a drama about people grieving, a horrible loss.

SPEAKER_04 54:57

Yeah, Steven's trying to bring them together. He's making the food, you know. It's dinner.

SPEAKER_05 55:03

It's between this and the dinner party episode of The Office for most awkward dinners portrayed on film.

SPEAKER_04 55:09

At least they had the sweet flat screen. I think the office is still a little bit more awkward.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

No, I think before this she was also building the poll. Oh god.

SPEAKER_04 55:19

No, that's after she started talking to June. Oh, yeah, maybe she was. She was after talking to Joan, she started building her own diorama of the mini of the accident. Yeah, and the dad's like Jesus, fucking.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

And the husband comes in and he's like, Jesus Christ, are you gonna let him see that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:35

She was like, but this is normal. Right, this is a normal neutral view of the accident or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 55:39

That's what she tried to explain it away that it's a neutral view of the accident.

SPEAKER_03 55:42

I was like, oh my god. I kind of feel like Steven is also unknowingly playing playing. Because this is the enabler, not gonna really cause any kind of trouble that's gonna upset my evil plans type of guy. But I'm saying if he like, you know, maybe did like a little bit of a headbutt, picked her up, body slammed her into that, it crashes down, he comes off the rope, people's elbow, boom. I mean, I wouldn't have been like, okay, Steve.

SPEAKER_04 56:15

Steve's being seen airplane, right? Where they shake her, get all to yourself and there's a whole line of people shaking and slapping, you know, that's what she needed.

SPEAKER_03 56:23

Fucked up. Yeah, and it was really, really good too. Really quickly, she put together a really accurate and she has no problem with it. And Steve, I I think he's just still in shock. Yeah, hey. And then when he sees it, he's like, and the only the only thing you think of, like, not that's really fucked up, and I don't want to see that in my house. Right. What about Peter? Do you think Peter's gonna have to be seat?

SPEAKER_04 56:47

Yeah, that's great. Like, god damn. They they do hint that Annie's pretty, I mean, I don't know how heavily or what she's taken, but she is taking medication. I think that that falls into place with some of the mental health issues the family has passed on to each other, right? So her reactions are not what a normal person, and I think it's more weakening her down and stuff. They talk about Pyman needing weak vessels to be in and all that stuff, but we can talk about that later.

SPEAKER_05 57:13

Yeah, comes to the dinner. The dinner is ridiculous. I mean, not ridiculous, but it is Annie. Tony Collett's going for it, and she's got a lot to get off her chest. Does Peter know how to use silverware?

SPEAKER_03 57:24

I've never seen what are you doing, man? I mean, they really do play him down as like a five-year-old a lot. Like the way he cries. Might have been a regression-year-old, might have been kind of regression. Trying to cut like Jesus Christ. Like cut, cut.

SPEAKER_04 57:37

Somebody come in here and cut those fork.

SPEAKER_05 57:40

What a fork is. I mean, he's like 16. He's probably only ever eaten chicken tenders his whole life.

SPEAKER_03 57:46

Not a fancy house like that. Yeah, come on now.

SPEAKER_02 57:49

I would like you to know I'm 16 and I indulge in filet mignons.

SPEAKER_05 57:53

So you're bougie like Isaac. Hey, you ate like hot dogs and ramen until you were like 14. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 58:01

Like we go to a restaurant and we know exactly what to order, Isaac, and we know exactly what he's gonna order. It's gonna be the most expensive steak. If it comes with lobster, double down. He's gonna surf and turf it, and we're gonna get like paying rent. Yeah. They try I mean like I'll just have a salad.

SPEAKER_04 58:19

They try to hand him more of the free bread for Luis. They try to hand him the kids' menu and the lunch menu. He just throws it back in their face. It's like, I'm not getting anything off this shit. He just stands up and slaps him. Yeah, yeah. The dinner scene, great monologue by Tony or Annie in this one. Actually, used my daughter used it in an audition for on the musical Carrie. She she did well. She did, she got offered an ensemble, but it was like 40 miles away. So we were like, I don't know if we can dedicate that time for it. It was her it was her choice. Oh but anyway, the scene where she's just like, and you stand there with that effing face on your face. That face I think I I know it was an accident, I want to take it away from me.

SPEAKER_05 59:06

But like was that in was that the way the line was written with your face on your face?

SPEAKER_04 59:11

Because that's a genius ride. It is. Charlie's on it because like when you're that frustrated, you're not putting together prose. You're like so mad.

SPEAKER_03 59:21

Facing your face on your face.

SPEAKER_05 59:23

So it it sort of reminded me of Dazed and Confused when they're doing the hazing. The girls are the senior girls are hazing the freshman girls and Parker Posey. She says she's supposed to say, I think the line is like, wipe that smile off your face, bitch. And she said something instead, she says, like, wipe that face off your head, bitch.

SPEAKER_01 59:42

I was like, Who the fuck says that?

SPEAKER_05 59:43

Nobody says wipe that face off your head. Had she said it the other way, you wouldn't remember it though. No, exactly. Exactly. I'm like, who says wipe that face off your head? Oh yeah, and Steven says with that look on your face, on your face.

SPEAKER_04 59:55

I was like, This is realistic. Steven's trying his best to like top, we've said enough. And then Peter's like had to. He was hurt. He had about you, mom. Right. Yeah. She wanted to go to that party. Which I'm like, very Judd Nelson.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

No, Mom, what about you?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:12

Yeah. Yeah, it was good. So yeah, she storms off. He made a point.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:18

Right now, maybe not the best.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:21

Well, he didn't even bring up the old shit where she tried to set them all on fire.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:24

Right. I would have. If you hurt me like that, I'm busting out some paint thinner. What about paint thinner, mom? So, did we find that out before or after? Was the meeting with Joan before dinner or after?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:33

After. After is when Joan meets her in the parking lot where she's at Michael's or Party City or some shit. So and invites her to come to the seance.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:44

Whenever you think of a puppet master moment kind of thing, meaning like, was this forced, like, how was this path created? I think even her knocking over the paint was, you know, onto the phone number to pick up the phone number. She knocked over the paint for her dollhouse that she was painting onto Joan's phone number, realizing I haven't called her yet.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:04

Oh, I don't even think I realized that. Yeah. It's like I think I thought it was an accidental like second run-in because she comes out of the store and Joan's in the parking lot. That's after they met the first time. Oh, she called her to meet the first time. Joan's just calling her.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:15

Joan was waiting out in that park lot with a cart full of stuff. Yeah. For like 30 minutes until she came out.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:21

Yeah, she was focused on her work and then she knocked over the paint. I'm like, how like much of this was just being manipulated. Or did the demon knock over the paint?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:29

Right, probably. Right. I mean, they there were no this movie is there's no freedom of choice. Right. This is what's gonna happen, and that's all there is to it. Except for maybe the one schizophrenic brother who killed himself. Yeah, that was his choice. What he would he got out of it. You know, I I guess maybe you can only manipulate so much. I don't know. Maybe it's a good movie. It's a good go watch it. Spoilers. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:59

So they do the seance at Joan's house and it works. What was his name? What was the kid's name? I don't know. Louis. Louis, the grandson. Louis. Yeah. Louis. And they do like the Ouija board thing, like move this glass to the right if you can hear us, and to the left if something else, and like the glass moves. And then he writes on a chalkboard.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:18

You know that shit wasn't Louie. That was no, that was Pyman. That was Pyman. Payman. Yeah. Payment Pyman.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:25

Well, it could have been Louis. It could have been Louis. They summoned Charlie. Oh well no, Charlie was. They did summon Charlie.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:29

Charlie was Charlie. They did. When she comes home, was like, no, we gotta try this. Everybody come here. Yeah. Let's just jump straight to that. Yeah, Steven Peter are skeptical as Charlie.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:38

Steven's had like Steven is a saint, but he has had enough. Up to here with her bullshit. He is bottling it up and bottling it up.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:51

We cannot skip over the conversation with Joan, where she's talking about. This is the first time I was like, she's not just a bad mom. She's a she's a self-ish. She tells about because she starts telling, like, I sleepwalk. You know, it's it happens to a lot of people. And uh, you know, they caught me with paint thinner all over them and a match in my hand. And as soon as I struck that match, I woke up and blew it out. And they can't forgive me for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:13

She was like obviously springwalking. And Peter starts crying.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

But ever since then, ever since then, he hasn't had a thing against me. No shit, bitch. He just tried to kill me in my sleep.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:24

Yeah. We cannot pass. Yeah, that's that's like you said, he she should, he should have brought it up during the fight. You want to cut deep. Remember that time I tried to say you on fire atticus? Well, some of my favorite moments. Okay, good, good. You don't hold it against me, right? So like Adam's sleepwalk, you know, that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:43

Right. So then we go to she wants to do it. Like, we're gonna do this, and she's like she apologized manic. She's all over the place. Peter and Steve are like, what the fuck? Let's just whatever. Let's just do this. Go along to get along, yeah. Go along. And then when she starts happening, they're like scared.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:02

They're like, no, stop, stop what you're doing. Right. And he does the same thing, like, no, we gotta hold hands and get our hands on to fingers together on the table. Because when it starts working, they're like, no, no, stop. Stop so crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:14

Peter did or Steve did the same thing that she did when she went to the first seance. He bends down and looks under the table. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, Oh, that's that's pretty cool. That's a nice little Easter egg. Because the old charlatans that would uh that would trick people with stuff on the table. And then the candle like does like a super high flame. The the Charlie's response to the thing when the door opens and like on a cadminant or something, like Charlie, are you mad?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:43

It breaks something breaks, but Charlie jumps into mom.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:45

Charlie jumps in and yeah, and he's just sending the truth creep and Steve's like what? Where's mom? Where's she opens her eyes? What's going on? When Peter says, Mom, like mom, where's mom? Yeah. Steve's like, stop. Is it Steve or Steven? I keep calling him Steve. Close enough. Steve. Yeah. Stevie. Charlie's freaking out. Rightfully so. Because she's like, What? Where's mom? Why is everybody staring at me? Why is everyone upset? And dad's freaking out because he just wants none of this to be happening and all of it to go away. And everyone and Charlie to be alive and Annie to be normal, and Peter to not have accidentally killed his sister and be, you know, grief stricken and fucked up and and then splashes on her. Throws the water on her, she comes out and she's like, What the fuck's going on? What are you throwing water on me from now? Like, bitch. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:41

Like, goddamn. And that that was like getting the demon out of her, I guess, right? That was the water being thrown on her?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:50

That snapped her out of whatever, right? I don't think the demon cut. I think that was Charlie. I don't think that was the demon. I think Charlie is hair, is has the demon on her. But it needs a male host or something. I don't think it leaves full power up. I think I don't think it officially leaves Annie Till this thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:10

You can talk about it later, but I think Charlie is like straight off. Okay, so I think it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:17

So I don't think Charlie was born as Payton. I think once Ellen died and her head was removed from her body in the desecration of the corpse is when it entered the faulty vessel. I think it's a little bit more than a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:34

That yeah, that's the demon. That's the demon spear. And there's a part when she's in her room like drawing, it like comes in. Does it think to her? Well, it just it comes across the screen. But that could have happened after the head was and we only see it a few times. We see Peter's school, we see it there, we see it enter Peter, and when he jumps out the window later.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:54

And I don't think there was still too much Peter in there, he was still too strong to get into him, right? So Charlie maybe was a little mentally weaker.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

I think she was, and I think that grandma Ellen, the breastfeeding thing was part of created kind of like a road putting the vessel in or putting Payman in Charlie. So Payman's Charlie's been walking around with Payman floating like most of her life.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:23

Okay. My my take is that that once the Ellen's head was taken off, then it could leave Ellen's body and go into Charlie officially. But I don't know. Right? That's there is something about the heads being taken off as part of the ritual. And then mom's head comes off at the end, and then it can enter Peter, right? Fully. Peter. Peter. Peter. Peter, get out! Whoa. But yeah, where were we at though with the uh I think it was split piece?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:52

Junior Reagan threw up on the priest now. Bring your dick when he's like dick. After that, it's like the he sees the reflection of him smiling in the mirror, like in the cabinet. Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:05

That's the next one trying to get in school and it's him trying to get in, yeah. He looks at the in the glass and sees his reflection.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:11

But once the bathroom, yeah. Once once it gets into mom, I think it stays there until. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:17

So after after that, we get is the book, I guess, sitting on Charlie's drawing book is sitting on her bed open, and that's when Annie finds it. And it is it me or all the pictures of dad? Like the whole book is just Peter. It's got glasses, shows the mole.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:32

No, it's crossing out his eyes for some reason, like in the photo.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:35

And it has his like mole. Okay, because I thought I thought it was wearing glasses. Like I think it's supposed to be payment, kind of but I think it's kind of weird.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:45

It's cut you could look at it either way, like it was the real Charlie warning that Peter was next and Peter was gonna die, or it was Payman, like, here's my next victim.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:55

That's why because she tries to burn the book and then her arm catches on fire, which she pulls the book back out, and then her arm goes out, not on fire.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:05

I think and then she tries to show Steven that but that's not immediately after this, because she goes and looks through the mom stuff, yeah, and she goes back to Joan's place. She goes in the attic, too. But she does.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:20

She goes back to her mom's stuff and she finds the book and sees Joan and all the pictures with her mom. And then she goes back to the phone. And then she's like, oh shit. Right. Then she and Joan's gone. Joan's gone.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:29

Four doors open. She goes in and there's on the table with the camera backing. So there's Peter Peter like some cold stuff. There's a lot of cold stuff laying around. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:39

Yeah. Like Peter smashing his face on the desk. That's like before this, too. That's right after before after this.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:45

Before this. That's the same thing. That's all in this little as soon as she leaves.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:50

This is where the pace really picks up. Picks up really quickly. When she leaves Jones, that's when Joan is actually at the school trying to expel Peter from his own body, right? Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:59

After he smashed his face into his desk. Before sitting there. That was before. Before?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:03

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:04

Then he goes back and like Peter get out, or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:07

He's got enough room in him if you want to visualize it, like enough room to slip into Peter to like control him.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:13

Yeah, so then he's in the class being fucked up. And he looks over at his reflection in this cabinet. And then it's already happened. That happened earlier.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:21

But yeah, but he's but he puts his hand in the air and his arm's bent and a fucking thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:26

Oh yeah, and he's got that his his lips.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:30

And they're like, Peter?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:32

And then Peter.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:33

Good, bruh. What are you doing? When his friend says, What's he doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:36

He smashes his face and then he comes out of it. Screaming, screaming, screaming and freaking out, like, what the fuck's going on?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:43

Brutal.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:44

Okay. A lot starts happening.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:46

So where are we? We she goes in the attic. She goes on the flies, so we know there's something bad up there. Does it not nothing ever good happens in an attic in a horror movie, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:57

There's a bunch of flies in the city.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:58

The grudge is a bad addict, the exorcist is a bad addict. Yeah, people on the stairs.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:03

I want to jump in and say Alex Wolf had some major issues after this movie. Really? Yeah, he said the demands of the shoot and the psychological and physical demands of the shoot, including doing his own stunts, caused him to have some emotional damage and symptoms of PTSD. Wow. He went to a dark place in this movie, is all just a movie, man. I know it's just a movie, dude. Get over it.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:26

It's not apocalypse now that took like eight years to make. I heard that everybody method acted in this so that they would like the tension was real, like at the dinner table and like all the scenes. Really? Yeah, they are all they all want to be called by their character names, like off screen off screen and shit, so they'd all keep the tension and keep everything.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:49

I love it when like uh Daniel Twinks is like, call me Abraham. Yeah. Like, no, I'm not gonna call you Abraham Lincoln.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:55

Yeah, they method acted, I think, most of this, but we find the body in the attic and she don't know. Did the flies bother me?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:05

Did the flies like because obviously those weren't flies. Like the rest of the shot. It was fine. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:11

Flies mean like, oh, there's probably something dead on there. No, I'm not sure. Oh, the fact that they were digitalized. Yeah, I didn't really notice.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:17

I didn't even notice either. A little bit. Well, you're just like a big CGI guy. You don't you love it, right? You love CGI.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:25

I love it. Use it all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:28

That was AI talking. Yeah. So so she comes down from the attic, not sure where Peter is, but Steve.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:34

Steve comes home and he's she's like, you gotta go up there. She's like, you gotta believe me. He's way too fucking chill again.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:41

Like, right. But he I also I think he's resistant. I'm done. Because like I said, this is not just now happening. I feel like throughout their marriage, she has been with those calls, quote unquote sleepwalking bullshit, right? Where she just does fucked up shit all the time.

unknown 1:12:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:59

Right?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:59

So he does go into the attic. Steven might be at the end. And I'm thinking, uh the body's probably not even gonna be there.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:05

Oh, yeah. And he's like, after he sees it, he's like, This was you. Like he he was not ride or die anymore. He was like, This was you. You did this. You did this. You went to the movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:15

And she's already since destroyed some of those miniatures that she built.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:19

Yeah, she got pissed off.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:20

And so he's mad at that. Because these miniatures are supposed to be used for something, right? She takes photos of them. It's like she's an artist. Wasn't she doing a miniature? He's like, This is her job, but he's also like, How much longer is this gonna take you? I mean, like what kind of job is this? Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:37

Is it more of a hobby? Yeah, I mean, do you make it? If you don't make money at it, it's a hobby. It showed her book. It showed it.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:42

It's like a podcast she put out. Right. But you guys saw the book of her miniatures that she had, right? Okay. So I think it's she publishes that. She has gallery showings.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:52

She was gonna do a gallery showing because she had a miniature of the gallery showing and she was putting in one of the displays in the little miniature of the gallery. Right, right to visualize how it was gonna map out. Yeah.

unknown 1:14:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:04

To answer your question, Peter is knocked down in his room because he had the broken nose. Yep. That's for Peter.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:11

Yeah, they dragged him into the house.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:13

That's right. Okay. So he's in his room. And this is the first time Annie starts taking responsibility.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:20

Sacrifice. She offers to sacrifice, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:22

But it also is like, you need I'm gonna throw this book in here like to prove to you that there's some shit going on or whatever. But I'm not strong enough to do it myself. Like, you need to do it for me. I think that was I know I'm gonna burn. But he he won't do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:36

And not at first. Like, why would she throw it in? Oh, she does end up throwing it in there. Yes. Thinking it's her gonna fire.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:42

We need to call the cops because you're fucked up. I'm worried for all of us, and there's a dead body.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:49

She's like, How have you not called? He's like, How have you not called the police? There's like there's a dead body in her ass.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:53

Right. Your mother's decapitated. Yeah. Body's in the air.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:56

They hinted at that earlier when she's he's like, What's that smell? Like, that's what that smell was, right? That body chilling up and when before he walks in and sees the shit all busted up. I was like, Did she shit on the floor or something? But like, no, she he smells the dead body upstairs.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:11

So yeah, and then she starts take kind of taking a little bit of responsibility for everything going on, which she accused Peter of not taking responsibility at the awkward dinner scene for anything. But she's finally being like, It's my fault, like it's my family. I have to deal with this. Has to end with me.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:30

Yeah, the police can't help us.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:31

And then she thinks that by throwing the book in there is gonna, I guess, kill her. Right. And she throws the book in the fire, and Steven's the one that goes up in flames, which they show you in the fucking trailer. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:44

And you know that. She poured the lighter fluid all over it, which made him go up faster than when she just threw the book in. You know, right, right. It wasn't a you can't put a blanket on that.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:55

No, it was and that and that visual is so good of her just when she when he goes up and she's standing there freaking out, and he's just the two bodies and one of them is just in flames from head to toe. It's just such a great video.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:08

The timing of this, we we did miss one. We didn't miss it, but you know, we haven't talked about the timing of the the nightmare that Annie has. She's got the ants all over her bed. She follows the trail of ants into Peter. Peter, Peter has all over his face. It's basically subject to the city.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:24

He tries to be like she, or she's like, he's like, You tried to kill me because he's she said she tried to have an abortion or tried to tried to miscarry on purpose. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:32

So this is all, yeah. So she's looking at the ants and she makes the most horrified face. And in the dream, Peter wakes up and says, Why are you scared of me? And that's when that confession happens in her dream that she tried to mind you. Yeah, I never wanted to be your mom. She puts her hand on her mouth. She was not in control of what she was telling him, right? This is her biggest nightmare that she'd find this stuff out. Then she wakes up. Those are the worst when you have the double wake-ups from dream.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:57

I don't think I've ever had a double wake up.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:58

You've never had one where you woke up in your dream, but then you walk up.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:01

Have you had one?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:03

They are scary.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:05

That's weird.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:06

The double wake-ups are the worst.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:08

Okay, so she's standing there. Steven is burned alive. Roman candling out, and then her face goes blank. Like because the spirit enters her.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:20

Right, right. You see the little wave come through, and then she's like dead faced.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:25

What's again? She was past rock bottom, right? She was spent, like that, completely open for possession, if you will. Right. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:34

That makes sense. Yeah. And then that's when Peter comes down, I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:38

And she chases him. He's in her, she's in his room in the corner of the room when he wakes up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Up in the corner. Just it's like right.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:49

That's like he comes down and sees the burned body. He got real. And then when he turns, she comes out of the corner. And rushes him. Bum rusts him. He runs, goes up. Pulls it up. Dude, that was some athletic shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:03

Can you do that?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:04

First, he sees the naked dude, and he sees dead dad, you know, and then that's when he runs up the attic stairs and then pulls the stairs up like in one motion. It was good. Yeah. Like folded them all up perfectly so he couldn't get up there.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:18

And then you hear the banging arm like, what the fuck is she doing? Jumping up and banging on it? No, and then it couldn't hurt her fucking home. On the ceiling before she got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was that was fucking wild. That was awesome. I was like, oh, it's that kind of movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:32

It got like so awesome at the end. Then you think that's the worst. What could what what else could it possibly be worse than that?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:39

Somehow she gets in the attic.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:40

More naked people in the attic. Naked people in the attic. There's a picture of where Ellen was.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:46

As he's running to the attic, you see the piano is busted. Mm-hmm. And that's the key because she uses piano wire. She uses piano wire.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:57

So then he's you uh he's up in the attic. Sees the did you see the people? No, he's got his mom first.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:04

He hears this noise like almost like you're playing with your hoodie strings, like if you had a hoodie. Or like a zipper. Yeah. You're just pulling them in and out. Like like and he looks up, mom's floating in the air, cutting her own head off.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:21

Unaware, like unaffected, nothing. With piano, just like looking at him, and then she starts going really fast. And then they cut away and you hear boom, doom, doom, he gets out of the air. Then he sees the dead, the dead people, the naked people. Then he sees the naked people. He's like, ah.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:35

Then he jumps out the window.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:36

And I read at this point there was some there's some like well, was he still alive? And then there was like well there was some red a Reddit thread where he when he went out the window and hit the ground, he died.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:50

I it's two stories, three stories. I think Payman popped in unconscious body. Yeah, that's what I think.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:58

Because they do show the little blue thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:02

And I think Payman was in him. Annie at that time, right? I think. Yeah. That's yeah, or another thing. It goes from her to him.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:09

One of the kings of hell. He's got underlings, right? He's got underlings, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:14

So I think it's the spirit of Charlie ended up in Annie. It gets transferred to Peter because when Pete the next thing they do, Peter wakes up and goes to the treehouse, and Joan, we don't see her, but we hear her, calls him Charlie.

unknown 1:20:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:32

Right, right, right, right. Calls Peter Charlie. And they refer to him as Charlie.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:35

Payman and Charlie were refused at the time. Right. Now it's three of them. So it's Peter.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:40

They're calling him Charlie because it's Charlie's soul, is now in him, the male host that they needed for him to become Payman, the eighth king of heaven.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:50

And King Payman was in Ellen for a long time, but preferred dudes.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:54

Yes. Right. That's where he gets his full power.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:57

Right. Maximizes it. Because I think the pictures of them sprinkling gold coins on Ellen and stuff, I think that's celebrating Payman, you know, being in her and whatnot, or what the fuck, well, who knows?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:07

Unknowable. Unknowable. But yeah, we see Annie float into the treehouse. The headless Annie.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:14

Headless Annie. And then you see headless Ellen prostrate. And then Headless Annie goes down next to her, prostrate. And a bunch of naked old white people.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:27

Yeah, weird Annie. I don't know if I've seen man color just like the dick tip from you know underneath the prostrate. But that's the most disturbing part of the movie. We don't need to see that.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:37

You've gone too far. Yeah. Ari. And then Joan comes up.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:41

I don't remember what she said, but she puts a crown on him and calls him Charlie and then announces him as King Payment.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:48

Important to note that that was Charlie's head on top of that. Yes, it was. Yeah, that was Charlie's head. Where'd they get that? I guess the same place.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:57

Oh, hey, there's a head. Let's get that one. That's the one I want. Like just go to the pole, the uh telephone pole we marked. Right. There'll be a head there. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:05

Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's like a honey hole. Bring a bottle of raid. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:14

We have to clean these ants. Boom. Then we get to like the weird crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:17

All hail payment, yeah. Yeah, all hail payment. And there's like what? Didn't they do something? Oh, they say that. They say something about like your payment. They all get down and all hail payment or something. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:26

I wanted one. I mean, for a demon movie for supernatural stuff, like this like great ending. Did I just wanted one little like half second where Peter slash Charlie they acknowledge that a transformation has been made. So because Peter, like we're just calling him Peter because it's the male body. He doesn't do anything. They put the crown on him, they're saying these words, and he's as stone faced as he was when Charlie died. I feel like he doesn't flinch. And if he's now has Charlie's soul in him and is now this king, I wanted at least like one little half a second or one second where he smiles like he did in the reflection, or where he like does something. I've got the facial tick where he's like, Now I have power.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:18

The first time I saw And they don't.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:19

They just he's just deadly. Or even like a click of the tongue. That's what I click of the tongue. Yeah, Charlie does.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:24

I have a false memory and a smile. I have a false memory of the first time I watch it at the very end, there's a click.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:32

Oh, wait, yeah, when it faced the black, I think there was a click.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:34

I don't think there was. I didn't hear a click. I think there's a click. The first time I watched it, I remember, you know, some kind of like maybe hey, this Charlie now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:45

Okay, keep talking. I'm gonna pull it up on Fanny.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:47

So did it stick to landing, guys? Yeah, 100%. As far as this kind of movie goes, it's it that's a great ending. It's one of those landings though, like when you're on a plane, let's use a plane analogy. It's coming in way faster than you think it should. But it landed. It landed, we all clap, you know. Yeah, it was good.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:04

So you realize you I mean, yeah, it was good. They didn't they didn't have to they didn't have to explain too much. You just know, like, okay, that soul, that demon spirit has now entered him, and now he is the spirit.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:16

They dumb it down a little bit for us, and I don't don't they say you're finally in the mayo that you're supposed to be, or something like that. I mean a little bit. Yeah, but but that's not that's fine.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:24

Not a crazy amount. You know, they didn't and there's more there's more lore with the mythology of like the the beheadings and the King Payman needing like three heads to become all powerful or other shit, and they didn't go into all that. Yo, Payman.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:48

Okay, shows it in miniature.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:50

That's what it does, shows it in miniature. There's no start of the credits. There's no click.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:56

There's no click. Mandela effect. It must be the Mandela. Exactly. Yeah, well, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:00

But having the miniature of the treehouse was a good good effect.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:05

After leaping from the attic window and being possessed by the demon payment, Peter stands up and begins to make the same eerie click tongue clicking noise. Oh does he? That's what he says. So maybe that's the false memory there. But I don't uh watching it again, I didn't notice it. I didn't pick up on that.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:23

So and I had the I had the captions on and I didn't say Charlie. Charlie click, eerie click, eerie click, Charlie click. Okay. That's it. That's a great fucking that was a great ending. I don't know about you guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:37

I was kind of worried about this pick, Charlie. I thought it was gonna be too heavy and too slow, but like you know what? I mean, it's it's a great pick.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:43

It's I and what the best part of a slow burn movie is the final act or the final quarter of the movie where the it delivers. And when you have a slow burn movie, like Wickerman doesn't deliver Fuck Wickerman. It doesn't like Rosemary's Baby.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:01

See, I don't think Wickerman was a slow burn. It's just telling it's a detective. It's a detective story with one kill at the end. It's a slow ass, shitty movie. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:10

Haven't it's like Rosemary's Baby. It's all burn. It's all burn. That is the slowest of slow burns.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:17

It's no reward. It's all just somebody telling you it's going to burn.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:20

Right. But if you're gonna slow burn me, you gotta give me an action-packed at least 15, hopefully 20 to 25 minutes of the end of the movie where all the loose ends are tied up, everyone who's gonna get killed gets killed uh brutally. More brutal the better, and this movie delivers that. Right. I mean, it doesn't have a good ending. I mean, it's horrible. It's a horrible ending. It's oh you mean it's all the good people.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:50

I mean it's disturbing, yeah. It's a good ending yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:52

It's a good ending, it's disturbing, it's like fuck, man. The bad guy wins ending.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:56

Yeah, nobody, nobody deserved any of that. Right. That's a sad one.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:01

Ellen and Joan deserve some shit. Yeah, but they didn't give it when we get to Hall of Fame, like there's no protagonist here. No, Annie sucks, Peter sucks, Charlie dies early, like Steven's too chill, Jones sucks. There's no protagonist.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:15

Well, let's get into that stuff. If there was a protagonist, it's Peter. I would say Peter killed the sister.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:22

Well, who do I protagonists don't always have to be good, it's just the main character. Okay. I think I'd say Annie would be more. I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:31

It's there's two. There's no hero. There's the animal. Nobody saves the Peter or both the protagonist.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:36

Nobody saves the day. Nobody saves the day. They just have Doctor. You know who the pro host protagonist is King Payment, is who it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:43

All right.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:44

Which kill was best? Oh shit. Not a lot of kills, honestly. Most impactful. There's three giant ones, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:53

There's only three.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:54

Steven, Peter, and of course Charlie. And Charlie was the one that Annie. Right. Actually. And then Charlie's the one that made me jump off the couch, right? So like Annie at that point, I was coming back down. So Annie was a good kill, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:09

For me, it was a hundred percent Annie. Really? Because Charlie weakened me for payment to get into me. Okay. And then when she is looking dead into Peter's eyes and cutting her own head off while floating in the air, like it's just like she's clipping her toenails or something.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:29

Folding origami.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:32

At that point, I was wrecked. That's a good case. God damn. That's a good case.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:36

Let's see what the other two say about that one.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:38

I mean, you're making you made a good case there. I I when I went down my list, I just put I'm like, oh, it's Charlie, no-brainer. Like it's it's the kill. It is the one. It is yeah, it's the one, like you said. Like you jump off the couch when it happens. You're like, I can't believe they just did that. And then everything that follows, you're like, you can't believe they did it. They did it. Everything that follows, where it like lets you let your guard down because oh, they're not showing their you hear what's going on, you hear the aftermath, they're not gonna show anything, and then they show it. Yeah, I'm like, this is ridiculous, it's fucking wild. But they didn't show the head fall off. That was like, bro, you're showing me cut her head off.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:15

They didn't show any head fall off. But then yeah, you made it and then you yeah, then you don't show me Annie's head off.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:20

Charlie was like just give me the sounds that Charlie's made a case for that. Like if you're at the Y in a pickup game and somebody dunks, you just you gotta run around the room, man. You just gotta do it. You gotta take a shirt off, run around the room. Yeah. I mean all right, all right. No, you there's they're good. Charlie. I'm I'm Annie already. You're Annie? Annie, are you okay? What do you mean? Charlie. Okay. Um what you're the you can tie it up. What's yours? Oh, I'm Charlie. Because Charlie, like at by the time Annie happened, I was like, Charlie.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:51

I got a really good case for Annie, and but I'm gonna stick with Charlie. Okay. Because no winner. There's no winner. It's just we're all losers.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:00

There's no winner, but like if there was a winner, Charlie's kill wins.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:04

I mean, this is a this is uh the hundred meter dash where Charlie knows crosses wins by a hundredth of a second. By a nose, like a hundredth of a second. But both of them broke the world record at the same time. Yeah. All right. Could you escape this? Not if I'm in part of that family. Nope. No, I mean, where did they go wrong? Could you escape this?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:26

I mean I think she tr she she let Joan have her do that invocation, right? That that summoning of payment or whatever. So I think that's the only part where she could have been like, but she was manipulated into that too. She's like she had that dream about how awful she was to Peter, which immediately said to her, She's like, I've gotta make it up to Peter. I gotta apologize. I gotta make him know that Charlie's okay. So I mean, even that was all manipulated. So I don't think she could have changed it.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:58

There was no escaping unless Death is escaping, right? Like the brother killed himself. He has technically escaped. You know what the brother's name was? Peter.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:09

Joe Mama. No, the uh Annie's brother. No, it was not Charles Day. It was Charles, named after Charles. Okay, okay. That's was that in the obituary in the beginning? No, it wasn't, but it was I think it was. Oh, yeah, yeah. Survived by preceded in death by Annie and Charles guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:26

Yeah, that's that's interesting. I wonder if mom Ellen manipulated her into naming or Charlie. Charlie. Of course. Charles, yeah. Of course. And that's why she was a favorite. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:35

And it was always destiny.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:40

I think, let's see, could you escape this? Is this one of those like well, I just wouldn't become part of the cult? So yeah. Because we play this game sometimes, like, well, I would just never go in that room. And but no, it's like if you're playing by the rules of the movie, like you end up as part of this, like if the demon, if you let the demon in your house, like you're you're done. One person. But also, is it like, do you have to believe in it? Like, do you have to believe that demons are surreal and shit?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:04

I'll tell you that's what I was gonna say. Steven could have taken Peter immediately and like went to a hotel or something. Right. I think they would have got him back. They would have, but it would have been longer than what we saw. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:15

Like if you're a non-believer in the afterlife and in King Payment and these things, I don't know if you have to believe tales, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:22

No, because Steven didn't believe at all. And he still wants Charlie was Steve.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:30

Okay, so the next category is who's the dumbest character, and I immediately thought of Steve because he was the only one that wasn't part of this cult bloodline.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:39

He could have left, he could have, should have, but would have some, he loved Peter, but I don't think he believed in any of this cult shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:45

Yeah, but and he couldn't leave his own. He was taking in everything at face value, or he was medicated too. You're dealing with the death of a of a child, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:53

He's like, we gotta band together as a family, but realistically, he was the only character that wasn't faded right to die or rescrifice Annie.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:02

Unfortunately, by not being more responsible with an EpiPen. I think the people that didn't pay attention to the fact that this is a death. Parenting is a two person.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:12

And it's a two-person job, and like if one of the parents gotta be like, Hey, you got Charlie's EpiPen, the other one's like, Yep, I got it. You don't just be like, What do you mean you didn't bring the EpiPen? Because you didn't either, motherfucker. Right. Like, everything is a two-person job. You gotta check it out. That's not like you're recalling an event.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:30

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:31

I'm just saying he's like, We don't even have our EpiPen or whatever. It's like, yeah, like if she forgot it, you gotta like before you leave the house, like, hey, you got the epip. Yeah, Charlie's tell me about those. My kids don't need a diaper bag anymore, but when they did, whenever we left the house, it was like, Oh, did you grab the diaper bag? It's like, yeah, I got it. Or it's like, oh no, you grab it real quick, like, yeah, I'll grab it. Or like, did you put whatever? Like, is there is there wipes in there? Like, I don't know. You just you just fucking tag team it. You have to. You can't show up somewhere and be like, what do you mean you didn't grab the epi pen? Like, is Charlie too young to bear responsibility for that epi pen? Yes. Well, no, she's 13. No, you have to administer the allergy, it should be on a damn lake. And they have to be taught to administer it themselves.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:14

I don't know what age they're supposed to be able to administer in themselves, but like people can't just be like, Oh, let me jam this in your leg if they don't aren't qualified to do so.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:22

There are kids younger than her who are. They'd probably do it themselves.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:25

Yeah, for sure. Okay, so Charlie.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:28

Core score. Wait, real quick, does anybody have any like trivia and fun facts?

SPEAKER_04 1:34:34

Any my I gave you mine in the during the thing about Alex Wolf.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:38

Fun facts. I think I look when I looked up some stuff, it wasn't like anything too interesting. I didn't see that one, Justin, but like I talked about how they method acted a lot to nail the tension between everybody and like everybody keeping their distance was part of it. One of the other games that Ari Aster did was send Alex Wolf and Millie Shapiro out in character with this game that like Alex Wolf had to buy her a sweatshirt, but not but she being like basically silent the whole time, like had to figure out what sweatshirt she wanted. So can you imagine like someone younger than you needing something and you're supposed to get the right thing, but they're not communicating what it is that so and it just keeps that like that tension and that like I'm pissed off and like fucking help me and like no one's helping you kind of thing going on. Those are good stories, and then there's some more stuff about like the backstory of King Payman beheadings, cult symbols. They didn't use the actual cult symbol because they didn't want to summon some shit. Well, in other movies where they do use the actual symbols like Rosemary's Babies, The Exorcist, the Omen, like bad shit happened on the set of those movies.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:44

Not messing around. If you believe in that, they're just in case kind of people ask me.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:49

So the real the real symbol is like four beheadings and like four circles. This one they used three instead of four.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:55

Were there beheadings in the symbol? We didn't talk about that. Is that what it was? Three circles. Okay, there's three beheadings. I think the real king payments.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:04

Charlie, where are we at with that information? Is like four. Come on, do your homework, man. No, I refuse. Yeah, gore score. You know what you guys want to do? Let's do gore score. I was low. I'm gonna start. I got three and a half. I feel like I went low, but three and a half?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:19

I was gonna say three, so I'm gonna go higher because the gnarly head on the side of the road, the decapitated bodies like you know, praying towards the head again. Yeah, I'm gonna put it at a five. I'm fine with like middle of the road. Where are you at, Charlie?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:37

And he cut her own fucking head on if we watched it.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:40

We saw blood spurt, but we didn't see like veins or viscera or anything, you know. True. I'm gonna go at I mean, this is a I was thinking like seven imaginary gorgeous.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:49

Oh, that's too high. But I'll bring it down to five because there wasn't really a lot, you know. Yeah. So was that threes and fives?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:57

So four.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:58

I mean, I could come up to four, and I I mean I'm a three and a half, but I can come up. Where are you at? I was at three. What's your ten? I'd be terrified. Okay. Let me take a look. So if we if we say this is a five, then that means it's on par with Friday the 13th, Scream, Bromstoker's Dracula, and Heretic.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:22

Oh yeah? Oh, if it's on Heretic sounds like a good cut. If we go down just because it has a similar name.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:28

If we go to four, we're looking at Chopping Mall, Silence of the Lambs, the Faculty. It's definitely harder than that.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:34

Yeah, I think it's five. It's a five. I agree with you. At least a five. I agree. All right. Five. It's way higher.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:41

Cut our own head off with piano wire.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:43

Five. Looking us dead in the eye. And it was super grounded too. It wasn't like there was nothing cartoonish about that.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:50

Nothing. Yeah. I thought some of the stuff was gross, not gore, like the ants on the dream and on the head. You know, the fire. Like it's a quick scene where Steven's on fire is quick. They don't have like the burnt charred remains. He's not you. They don't do birthday. Well, yeah. No, but they they don't show him like struggling, they don't show his face melting off shit like that. Yeah, it's just like he's on fire, cut to the next Peter does smash his face into a desk.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:15

And that part, yeah. That's disturbing. It's a you know, we're like that's the thing, is like disturbing scale and gore score. We're kind of bleeding them together a little bit. Yeah, no pun intended. She cut her own head off. She cut her own head. Her own goddamn head off. That's the quote from the show. That's the that's the tagline. She cut her own damn.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:34

So what are we landing on? Five.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:36

We'll go to five.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:37

That's fine. I told you I started low, but I I'm talked up at a point and a half. That's fine. All right. Horror hall of fame. We've already talked about the director. He's on his way. Like several that we've talked about before. It I mean, two two highly critically acclaimed ones. I don't know about Bo is Afraid if that wasn't as critically acclaimed. None of us have seen it. Never heard of it. If you've seen Bo is Afraid, drop us a link in the show notes. Should we be like, you guys need to watch this? Should we watch all three hours and do an episode on it? And if you be like, I watched it and it sucked, let us know that too. All right. So I can save three hours of my life.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:14

But if you tell if it's it's good and we watch it, we're coming for you. And if it's not, we're gonna block you. We're gonna block you. You're banned. Banned.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:22

Reporting.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:22

Then our listenership will go to 15 down to 14.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:26

We're up to 15?

SPEAKER_04 1:39:27

I don't even know. Hey, some of these are way higher. Okay. I'm not gonna tell the audience how great they are, but is the killer a hall of famer? I mean, it's too payment. It's payment. It's like Pazuzu or payment, you know, like it's in that category.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:42

And it transfers from person to person, whereas in the Exorcist, it's Reagan the whole fucking time. Which is different.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:47

Oh well. Well, except for when Karis got it and threw himself down. Well, I mean for like five seconds. Well, just letting you know. So we're really just talking about the devil. I mean, it's just right. A minion. It's too one of the devils, one of the one of the lieutenants. Yeah. I mean, if he showed up like through the physical representation where he's got horns and hoof feet and wings and I'm gonna say half of the people that watch this movie don't come out saying King Payman. Like remembering the name of the entity. I'm saying they remember some of the gruesome scenes, but they don't remember who the entity was. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:19

Yeah. Yeah, I'll say no. No, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:21

Hero protagonist. I mean, we can't cover that. No protagonists in this movie. Movie props.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:28

The head of movie props. Any of those. I think the miniatures, the mini miniatures. I think you need the mini of the accidents. Because that is the big scene in the movie. And then I think the mini of the treehouse at the end with the cult followers. Yep. Peter is King Payment.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:45

I could see those out of the corner of my eye and know exactly what the little toy with the bird head. Oh, that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:51

With the crown. I would recognize that. Sit from Toy Story making her own like toys out of it. Yeah, right. Right. That's exactly what she was doing. The drawing, the Charlie head prop covered in ants. Oh, the notebook. The notebook with Peter's face. No, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:06

The head prop covered in ants. Maybe.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:09

Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, you know exactly what they're doing. And we've already done the head of the spider head from the thing. Spider head. Yeah. So that would work too. That would get in.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:18

How about one of those guys' dicks? What about that text? Which one? Bring your dick. Which dick did you like the most, Justin? Well, let's see. There's a tie. No. Yeah, the bring your dick. It's a hilarious text.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:31

You know, did you ever see those? You know what like cross-stitch is? Yeah. There used to, there was this thing a few years ago where it would be like, fuck you. We cross-stitch with flowers, and it would be all guys and come frame. Like that text message. And it would say underneath it, it's like Abraham Lincoln. Par starts at 11, bring your dick.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:48

I know what to get Charlie for Christmas.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:51

Start cross-stitching now. I'm going to get you that flask. So Ari asked her, we we need to see another horror movie at least. One more.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:59

One more on Paris. I wonder if you got anything coming up. Tony Tony Collette on the city.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:03

I mean, Eddington was just last year, but he took a pretty long break between Hereditary and Bo is Afraid. If we ever threw actors, Tony would be on my short list. I got a couple other things like awards. This was nominated for eight chainsaw awards, won five of them, or won six of them. Tony Collette won, Alex Wolf won, best wide release film, best director, best screenplay, and best kill for Charlie's kill. But like not even mentioned at the Oscars. I talked about that. Total snuff. Like Tony Colette should have been an Oscar nominee, at least at minimum. Yeah. You know they made another Judy Denge in there for something.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:44

And then I made notes about like what else was out in 2018. And this uh this feels like gotta be like one of the worst years for movie fans for the box office. We took everyone talks about like uh they just don't make original stuff anymore. And 2018 was probably the peak of this. The top ten movies of the box office six of them were comic book crap. Um whoa whoa whoa what I said it, I'll own it, I'll die on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:13

I get some I get some pleasure out of those comic book.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:15

I also get some pleasure out of those comments, but but five of the ten were six six of the ten, I think, were comic book crap.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:21

Which which movies are we talking about? Because these could be some green.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:25

This was this was let's see, off the top of my head, I don't have it listed, but it was like Black Panther. Oh, get it. It's an event. There's an Avengers movie, there's a Deadpool 2, Ant Man versus Wasp Man. That one's not Ant Man. It's not Wasp Man, Ant Man versus Man and Wasp. Whatever. And a Fresp. They're love us. There was another one in there. What's the other DC one that's not Deadpool or Justice League? Ruby. Aquaman. Aquaman.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:52

I liked it. All right.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:53

What were the other ones? Wait, is Aquaman Marvel or DC? DC. He's DC.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:56

Anyway, but there was Black Panther was so good. But Deadpool was Marvel.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:00

Marvel, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:01

Not comic book crap.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:03

Anyway. And then you had Incredibles 2. You had like Jurassic World sequel. Not Jurassic World, but like the sequel to that one. That one was bad. And then you had a Mission Impossible sequel. You had another iteration of the Grinch for the third time on film, like a Pixarized version of it. It's cartoon, wasn't it? Not the Jim Carrey one. It was a Pixar. Okay. Yeah, the one that Benedict Cumberbatch voiced. And then like at number 10 was the only like actual movie, which was Bohemian Rhapsody, which was a biopic. No offense to Bohemian Rhapsody. I like that movie, but it's also like not original material. It's a biopic. So it's the top 10 is like nothing original, nothing that somebody just thought up in their mind it was like hereditary. That was like an original idea. Right. And that's why I think now, I mean, we'll we're gonna talk about it on our next episode where we talk about obsessions and backrooms. It's amazing that these movies are doing fucking gangbusters at the box office, and this is what we've wanted since at least 2018. Original shit doing great at the movies. Backrooms isn't original. Well, kind of it is, but like it's also it's it's came from a YouTube, but the guy that made it also made the YouTube stuff. Yeah. All right, so it's it is original. They're really good and disturbing, but it's not it's not like we're gonna remake this, we're gonna just make a sequel of this. Another freaking style. We're gonna make this comic book that was made 40 years ago, we're just gonna make that now. But he did remake it as a movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:30

But nobody knows relatively dumb. It was different from the YouTube videos, but like it's still it doesn't count the way it's bad idea. It's not the creepiness of it, yeah, is the same, but like and it comes through. But like that's another episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:43

If it's comic book crap, we'll save it, sir.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:46

Save it, whatever. Okay, anyway. Let's wrap this up and get the hell out of here. Put a bow on it. Put a bow, put a bird on it.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:56

All right, I'll wrap it up. Good. So we're waiting for you. Any final thoughts on hereditary? Last chance.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:03

Final thoughts. If you haven't seen it, you definitely need to see it.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:05

Make sure you're in a stable state of mind if you have if you have you have to see it more than once because there's so much in there you're gonna miss the first time.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:13

If you have tendencies to go into dark places, maybe this isn't the movie for you. But yeah, no, it was great, great, fantastic movie. Yeah, great acting, great directing.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:22

This was my third watch of it, and it definitely requires like a another watch because you pick up something every time, you pick up the the little bits of dialogue, like hit different that are you seem it seems meaningless. It's like, oh, that's why. Or like, like we talked about when she says, like, oh, it's so nice to see some strangers here, like she's doing usually. I'm like, Oh, those are the fucking cult members. That's why.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:45

Like, I'm sure if you watch it enough, you'll pick up like why she used the pill bottle as like part of the bird. I'm sure there's symbolism there that I haven't scratched into that, you know. I don't know much about that bird at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:57

How does this fall on the Atticus movies we've done so far?

SPEAKER_02 1:47:01

Uh goes to the top scale, right on top. Top five. See, it's so your like movies are so weird. They're like either the best or Don the Dead level, which is like crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:13

I think you mean best or the best, isn't it? Martyrs level.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:17

Martyrs was good, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:19

Oh my god, you're out of here.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:22

You didn't see the high five between Mike and Atticus.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:25

You probably heard a slap. Yeah. That was me slapping Atticus. All right, five fingers in the face.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:31

We didn't talk about pieces being down there, too. I love pieces. This was great. Pieces is that was awesome. Oh, then there's a high five between the Mike and Okay. Get us out of here. Hello. Thank you for listening.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:43

Thank you all for listening to the All Guts O Gory podcast. If you like what we do here, please give us a rate and review. We need your weight and rate and reviews so that we get some more searches uh when people look for horror stuff in another million dollars podcasts and uh Spotify and YouTube and wherever you listen to your podcasts at. Make sure you don't miss your favorite horror movies by subscribing to our pods. You don't want to miss your favorites, which we actually need to bring up Justin's next pick after I finish this. But uh, you know, if you really liked hereditary, you didn't want to miss this one. So make sure you subscribe. Subscribe to us, drop us some fan mail and the link to all our show notes, follow us on the gram, all gutsogory pod. I don't know if Justin's been keeping up with that or not. I've been slapping. But before we get out of here, Justin, you do need to tell us what film you are going to cover and host for us next week for the video. My next pick is going to be House on Haunted Hill.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:38

It is one that I put in my which one the remake. Okay. The Tay Diggs. Tay Diggs. Yes. That one. Jeffrey Rush Academy Award-winning catch. That's an award-winning shit of yours. It is a fave shit, and I feel like it's time to make it everybody's fave shit. I like it movie. I like it. We get some cool herky jerky evil doctors in there. So it's it's good stuff. I can't wait. Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:01

House on Haunted Hill 1999. Somewhere around there. Coming up next week. And later this week we'll have a little bit of horror news and reaction and talk a bit about the history making box office numbers that obsession and backrooms are doing that we're really excited about. So check that out. Thank you all very much for listening. I'm Mike. Thank you, Atticus. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you, Justin. This is the All Got So Glory Podcast. Andy, take us home. This is the end friend.