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Horror News/Reaction: Obsession and Backrooms continue making box office history!

• Mike, Justin, and Charlie • Episode 71

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That's right. As of this recording, Obsession and Backrooms are the 8th & 9th highest grossing movies of 2026 so far. We breakdown their box office earnings which trended in two different directions, but still are closing in on $300M.

We also ask the question, are You Tube and viral content creators the new door to get into Hollywood film making? Are there others on the horizon? Obsession Director, Curry Barker, will helm the next "The Texas Chain Saw Massacre" re-imagining. 

We'll also discuss "Dolly" director Rod Blackhurst is getting a feature film made based on a You Tube short from 2014. As well as Damien Leone being a Sam Raimi fit as he will make "Tourtures of the Dammend" for Raimi's production company.

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All Guts, So Gory is a weekly horror movie podcast hosted by Mike, Charlie, and Justin. Each week, one host picks a horror film of their choice—anything from cult classics and slashers to supernatural chillers and modern gore-fests—for the trio to dissect. With a mix of sharp insights, dark humor, and plenty of passion for the genre, All Guts, So Gory delivers lively discussions that celebrate the bloody, the bizarre, and everything in between. If you love horror movies, this is the podcast to sink your teeth into. 

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SPEAKER_01

The mad and common to the All Got Silver Glory Podcast. I'm Mike, joined as always by Justin and Charlie, and we have Atticus joining us today as well. We got a little bit of horror news and reaction for you guys today. And given the state of horror movies, we'd be remiss if we did not start this episode off with the history being made right now between Obsession and Backrooms dominating, cleaning up at the box office. Right. Guys, let's start by saying Charlie has not seen Obsession yet. We made that, you let us know that a little earlier. So we don't this is gonna be spoiler-free. So if you haven't seen Obsession or Backrooms, it'll be spoiler-free. You are free to listen to this episode. We're not gonna spoil either of those, but we mainly want to talk about like the box office numbers, what they compare to, why these are such the way the numbers are trending for each of those two films and how they trend in different ways, and basically like why they're so big and how they got to be so big. So let's start with obsession and get that out of the way really quick. Before I talk about the numbers, Atticus, Justin, do you want to give like each of you your two minutes on what you liked or disliked about obsession? Justin, you go first. No spoilers, come on.

SPEAKER_02

So you would have to be under a rock if you have not heard of obsession at this point. If you open TikTok there, every second or third one would be somebody doing some kind of obsession skit, right? So this thing not only jumped its way fully to the front of the Zeitgeist or the pop culture, it's killing it. I went with it, went to it. The trailer for this movie is just a small scene, and this is on purpose from Curry Barker that shows a guy regretting a wish that he made essentially in front of a house. And that's all you have to go off of. And it was brilliant marketing, great idea. Maybe it's I don't know how original, but it was it felt super fresh, super original, and it felt very polished for the budget it had. It was amazing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So I was gonna bring up that fact that like he's so he got the producing, but he sold it, but like he was like, it has to remain no major plot points revealed in the trailer. It has to be just this, nothing else. Good for him. Which is like just phenomenal. Who does like I hate it when a trailer shows like a crazy thing that happens, right? And then is that you're waiting for that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, or when they're leading up that moment, you're like, I know what's about to happen because they've already showed us, right?

SPEAKER_04

And also, not to brag, saw this day of release.

SPEAKER_01

Humble brag, little like you had like 300,000 other people, so yeah, but they didn't see that Marcus O'Fountain. Whoa, well, are they paying you?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so yeah, my sister and my son that we just you heard from both threw out the GOAT praise on this one. They said, This is the greatest of all time horror movies, and I think Charlie has a story too.

SPEAKER_03

So I was out of town for this last week. My son and his best friend went to go see it, and he said it was the best scary movie he's ever seen. I mean, he's only 15. There's a lot out there, but he has seen a lot. He's seen Hereditary, he's seen Heretic, he's seen Dawn of the Dead, Atticus's favorite.

SPEAKER_02

This kid loves Clockwork Horns, this kid loves the shining, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

He's into that, and to for and I've sat with him and watched movies that are like, I mean, that's pretty scary. He's like, I was alright. This was the best scary movie he's ever seen in his life. Okay, yeah. Mike, how did you feel about it?

SPEAKER_02

When did you see it?

SPEAKER_01

You saw it with me. Yeah, Justin, you and I and I'm I forgot twice today that he's on the I showed up for the podcast that we were like gonna do talk about obsession and backgrounds, and he's like, Oh, have you seen it yet? And I'm like, dude, we went together.

SPEAKER_05

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And um Apollo was yeah, I loved Obsession, it was great, it was a little bit funny. Um it was a little bit not as not as funny as everyone, a lot of the Gen Z crowd was laughing at. There's parts I was like, that's not very funny. But there was some some laughs, it was funny, it was really well done. Like when I found out later that this was on like a $750,000 budget, I'm like, Are you fucking kidding me? That's amazing. Practical effects were like really, really, really well done for this. Great story, simple concept for a story, and just incredibly executed. You know, making a wish and it goes wrong, and the consequences are fucking severe, and it was fucking amazing. Acting, amazing. And I mean, I just I just loved it. It was I'm like, I I can't believe that they did that on that budget. I can't believe they found actors this good to do this so well. And yeah, good for Curry Barker, man. Yeah, him and the other person we're talking about, Kane Parsons, they both got their start on YouTube. Yeah, and let me making viral stuff. We'll let you guys talk about that in a little bit when we get to the back room stuff.

SPEAKER_02

I'll keep on keep on obsession for just a minute. Yeah, Anakin's and I have been tossing TikToks back and forth to each other for a while with Curry Barker and his friend, who's actually in this movie as well. I don't have his name with me, but he was the the friend of work, basically. So yeah, like we are familiar with it. I think that's part of why it has done so well. I think he has millions of views on these TikToks that come out. So I think we're familiar with it. And so when we hear but I didn't watch it knowing he directed it. So to be honest. So it's like it's both.

SPEAKER_03

So jumping back in on obsession, Isaac loves this movie, and Isaac is a prop guy. He love he likes a franchise, he's got the prop. So Isaac immediately identified this stick. Don't tell me if I'm right or wrong. One wish willow. The one wish willow. And what it is, it's the skeleton of this type of cactus that Isaac immediately recognized because he worked at the Thai Dia Iguana and they use it in terrariums. So we went to Thai Dia Iguana and got some of these cactus skeleton dried out stuff, and they have to be like a like a certain diameter, you know, a thickness, right? And he printed out the the little triangle Toburone looking bodies that they come in. He made one for a pilo, yeah. And he made, but now he's got the stick in one of them. Nice. He's like, Don't don't give that to anybody. That's okay, cool. But he wants to make more. It's like, I know Justin will want one, maybe Atticus will want one. Yeah, yeah. That's but so we got more supplies coming, guys.

SPEAKER_01

Right over there. That's a prop, that's a Hall of Fame prop when we get around to doing Obsession one of these days.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but and uh Obsession and Backrooms, like I don't avoid trailers. Yeah, I think I saw one trailer for Obsession like two or three months ago, and I completely forgot about it because it doesn't really say anything. I was like, Oh, that's kind of interesting. And then backrooms didn't see anything about it until Isaac told me that guy that those YouTube videos he sent me, he's like, You gotta watch these. And I watched them was like, those are really fucking good, they're really disturbing. And then, yeah, he's like, they made a movie, and when we get to backrooms, and we can do that now if you want, but I've got a little bit more to say about obsession.

SPEAKER_02

There's a lot of backlash right now that from people who don't understand how things work, unfortunately, that are upset that Nikki in Backrooms, for example, only made $20,000. She was a humade, amazing Indy Navarrett is her name. Indy Navarrett, yeah. So she made about $20,000 for a movie that's over $250 million right now, I think. Gross, right? So it cost $750,000 $750,000 to make. A lot of that was self-funded by Curry Barker from you know success on the other international or the internet platforms. But yeah, obviously the highest investors in the movies are gonna get their bucket filled first with the returns, right? Yeah, so there was no back-end deal done with Indy or the other minor actors, right? Even Andy Richter, I think, made like $800 a day or something like that.

SPEAKER_03

I get that that's unfortunate. But at the same time, they're not risking their money.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely. And and what, like I mentioned on TikTok, you cannot go three videos without seeing something about a session, unless that's just my algorithm. And it could be it is just your algorithm, probably obsession free. I'm seeing a lot of obsession shit because probably because I've been sharing a lot with my sister and yeah, and Apollo and Atticus about the stuff, so it's adding to the algorithm, but I'm seeing a lot of it. I'm seeing a lot of girls translating Rommstein songs from German to English. I've seen a lot of girls sitting on cakes for some reason. I don't know why. So anyway, so yeah, I don't know how that got in there. I think any Navarret, you said, is has been on Kimmel, she's been on all the shows. So I think I think she's gonna blow up from this.

SPEAKER_03

So I think that's part of and that's the the payoff for them, right? Yeah, is that they they are actors and they will give them future work. Yeah, and when they're bigger, I mean I would like to see some kind of like a mandatory profit share type of thing. Once you reach amounts of over budget, if you miss too many times over budget, you gotta kick these guys.

SPEAKER_01

If you get a if if the movie makes a certain amount of money, right? Like, we're gonna kick you more than what we said you will give you. So like the actors now it'd be are they saying that she's make that 20,000 is less than like her co-stars made? Like no Michael Johnson. Like, did Michael Johnson make like a hundred thousand when she was?

SPEAKER_02

Michael Johnson is the lead, the anti-regular the basic anti-capital. She probably made a little more. Like she only got further.

SPEAKER_01

Because that's where the pay disparity thing in Hollywood really comes to a head, is where like the same, yeah. You know, they they made it a point. Shameless, I'm a big fan of the show Shameless, and it took a few seasons for like Emmy Rossum to equal what William H. Macy made on the show.

SPEAKER_02

He wasn't even a big part of it.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, he's a big part of it, but she's the star.

SPEAKER_03

But his name was the was the draw. William H.

SPEAKER_01

Macy is the draw, but she's the bigger star. And it took a few seasons for them to finally like level out and be like, hey, we're gonna pay both of you the same. And it was kind of like groundbreaking at the time. So they're saying that the female and the male leads both made the same.

SPEAKER_02

They're saying that everybody, all the actors, because the budget, they only had twenty thousand dollars to pay the actors essentially each, and even less some of them got daily rates, right? Yes. So, but Curry Barker, in the grand scheme of things, if it makes 250, he's scheduled to make three million or three and a half million, and that's like he invested probably a lot of his own money, plus he directed and wrote the thing. So that's not that much for a $250 million gross budget either. Yeah, or gross profit.

SPEAKER_01

I think it's just a comment on you know, I think it's a little more than $250. It's more now. It's like two. It's closing on in on $300.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's getting close to like breaking flare witch. The Google AI is not picking up on that.

SPEAKER_03

Google AI is only saying $150 million. No, it's more than that. Don't listen to that. That's not right.

SPEAKER_02

But there was a guy trying to explain where all the money goes, and he's like, Well, you gotta understand 50% goes to movie theater. I'm like, first of all, you're wrong.

SPEAKER_03

First of all, shut the fuck up. You're just gonna look bad. Right. But anyway, just agree and move on, dude.

SPEAKER_02

All I have on obsession, other than I thought it was it was it was fantastic. I wouldn't put it as goat, but like it is the goat. I've had decades. I've had at least four decades of horror movie watching us actually.

SPEAKER_03

Atticus, this is gonna be your martyr because I'm gonna relentlessly martyrs.

SPEAKER_02

How is it my martyrs? I just said martyrs. You said goat. I'm gonna last thing before like watching it in the theater is is super important. Yeah, I gotta do that. Yeah, like Mike was mentioning, there's a lot of laughter or uncomfortable laughter, or like, oh shit, you know, stuff like that. That's it's a communal thing to do, and it's fun.

SPEAKER_03

I think I'm telling you, try to take a live to see it tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01

People are going, so you're going to like a brand damn near a full theater to see it, right? You know, which is great. It's it's good to share these movies in a commute in a setting with other people so you can see how other people react.

SPEAKER_03

And just overall, it's amazing. It's an amazing thing. Okay, they the actors didn't get paid shit, the budgets were small, and they made a lot of money, but there wasn't a lot of advertising, and these movies have proven that if you have a really good movie and we're not of the generation or or the current money capitalism is not in the generation of advertising on TV, on radio, yeah, putting trailers out after every goddamn movie that plays at every goddamn theater in America. They used to put about like nine months at the end of the day. This is where vibe and a half at a time. YouTube movies that nobody over the age of 30 knew about.

SPEAKER_01

Nobody bet on them. Yeah, no, we'll we'll get to a little more of that, but I want to talk about the numbers. So Obsession and its first weekend opened with $17.1 million. Its second weekend made $23.8 million. That's crazy right there. Its third weekend made $27.2 million. It's going up. Yeah. So and then its fourth weekend slightly down $25.3 million. But it's the first time since ET in 1982 that a film made more money its second weekend than its first, and more money its third weekend than its second. That is incredible. It's closing in on $300 million worldwide, made on a $750,000 budget. This is like this is history making. That a movie, and for our genre, it's awesome that's a horror movie, is doing this. That it's the word of mouth after the first weekend of it coming out has been like, you gotta go see it. Just like Br Blair Witch. And then people, yeah, and then people go see it, and then more of those people are like telling their friends, like, y'all gotta go see this. Yeah. It's amazing that a movie has done this for the first time since ET, like in 44 years, the first time the movie's done. A bigger second weekend than its first, a bigger third weekend than the second. That's fucking wild. Let's hear and get some Oscar for sure.

SPEAKER_02

You think so? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe let's hear and get some Oscars.

SPEAKER_02

We'll see. So normally you can you can predict, you can kind of project gross grosses, gross revenue by like when it halves, right? Like that first weekend is normally its height, right? And then like Spider, so Spider-Man 2 or whatever had like a 200 million dollar first weekend or something crazy, but then it would have at like week three, so it was only down to 100. Yeah, so yeah, for it to keep growing, like Mike said, is is is impressive, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and the other thing I don't know. I mean, I know some stuff comes out under the radar. When we went when we did our 2026 movie preview back in December of 25, and we were like, here's the big movies coming out in 2026. Obsession was not on that list because it was nowhere to be seen that it was coming out, yeah, unless you're in the novel.

SPEAKER_02

I mentioned you called it out. Yeah, we can't hear you. I'm really I said I was really excited for it. Like I called it out of that episode. Interesting enough. Like I said, I don't watch it, but I could hear what was going on, and we mentioned we threw it out, but we did not think it was gonna do anything, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right. And the backrooms is one we didn't talk about either.

SPEAKER_02

So we I said my daughter's really excited about the backrooms. That's all I mentioned on that one.

SPEAKER_01

So, you know, it's just you know, you young kids, you're up on it. What can I say? Um I got that into the youth, but you know, so another more history stuff, focus featured acquired obsession for $50 million after it debuted at the Toronto Film Festival. It's since beat the Blair Witch Project as the highest grossing festival acquired film of all time. Blair Witch Project made 248.6 million acquired for one million dollars, acquired for a million bucks out of Sunday. But that was 99. That was a 99.

SPEAKER_02

That's like seven billion dollars, is that 20 trillion.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's like the national debt right now. Um, so Curry Barker, the director here, he wrapped up his next film already called Anything But Ghosts, which the only thing I've seen about it is it's a horror comedy. Oh man. Similar like to Obsession.

SPEAKER_02

He's a funny dude. He's a funny dude.

SPEAKER_01

The next project he's working on will be for AMC or not for AMC. His next project will be for A24's reimagining of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Oh wow. Now let me ask I want to I would pose this question to Atticus for somebody that got their start in viral videos and is did did their own thing with Obsession, is doing their kind of own thing with anything but ghosts. Are you excited that he's taking the helm of one of the greatest horror movies ever? Or are you like that? That's like corporate greed. Like travel through that.

SPEAKER_04

It's a trap. I think if we're looking at it, the guy who directed weapons is doing the same thing, Zach Gregor Resident Evil.

SPEAKER_02

But I think Resident Evil is different, though. That's not Francis Chainsaw.

SPEAKER_04

That's fun horror, right? This could be like what's a good remake? There's not a lot, ton, but like if you're thinking of it, the last remake is a very good thing.

SPEAKER_01

If you think about the major franchise staples, the remakes have not been good. Yeah, but like Nightmare Elm Street remake is terrible. Friday the 13th, 2009 is terrible. Evil Dead was played in 2019's fucking terrible.

SPEAKER_03

But they're not really remakes. They're really envisioning.

SPEAKER_02

The one, the first, the Fetty Avres one was a remake, and it was scary. It was, it was very gory, scary. Evil Dead Rise is good. The thing prequel kind of count.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's a prequel. It's from the Norwegian side, a little different, I guess. But and this one's supposed to be a reimagining of the original, which they did in 20 in 2003, which a lot of people enjoyed horror horror circles, but it was fine. But some other it's polarizing when you do it because some people are like, it's not Toby Hooper's, it's not the original. Didn't feel as other people are like Jessica Wheels fucking hot in his hand top and low-cut jeans. Anyway, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_04

What what's what's your take on it? So there was a previous remake, right? Of Texas, some ask. Yes.

SPEAKER_01

There's been a remake already of the original, and then other offshoots of prequels and when I saw that it was not good compared to the original.

SPEAKER_04

So I think it's pretty easy to go up.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I get what you're saying. He's just gonna use the he's gonna catapult off of the flaw to boost it to a better I think it's dangerous. I think it's like in Parks and Rec where Ben tried to be the mayor of his tiny city. Right.

SPEAKER_03

I'm gonna say, I just want to say it's a trap, and a lot of good directors have fallen into it. They are it's like they he they trapped him with money. They're like, okay, what we want you to do is we want you to be Jesus Christ for six weeks, and we're gonna pay you $300 million.

SPEAKER_02

We want you to do that.

SPEAKER_03

And it doesn't matter how good the movie is. What seven other directors haven't been able to do, right? It could ruin his career. I think it's a trap that he should not go like he just did obsession.

SPEAKER_02

Right. It's like when Ben Affleck did Batman. It's like, come on, man, just I liked Ben Affleck and Batman.

SPEAKER_03

When George Clooney that was bad, that was bad. That was a huge mistake. Nobody could have made it. He jokes about stupid. Nobody could have made it.

SPEAKER_01

So Curry Barker has said about being the next director of Texas Chainsaw Massacre. He says that the canon itself is all over the place. So there's not much to stay, there's not much to stay loyal to other than the original. I want to make a new generation of people scared and give them this feeling of what if you went on a road trip with your friends and this happened to you? I want to capture the rawness and the groundness of the original. So what do you think of that quote?

SPEAKER_02

That's good. Yeah, I mean, good luck. It's a trap. What works didn't see it coming. Obsession worked really well because the people in it, the characters in it, were relatable to people that I think people atticism. I'm just saying they're relatable, like they're they're not hokey, they're not like caricatures of anybody really.

SPEAKER_04

They're you know, yeah. I think if he takes the same approach with his directing of obsession, it may not go awful.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'll watch it. Yeah, now let's let's go ahead, Charlie.

SPEAKER_03

But but I was gonna say that's that's that's the trap of it. They can't. It's like you the only way Lightning and you cannot win. You cannot win by doing this. The only thing you can do is get a tie.

SPEAKER_01

You feel like half your audience, it's already gonna be it's not the original.

SPEAKER_03

You can only just make not a shitty version. Yeah, that's that's the tie that you can do. That's what I'm saying, and you can't win. You that's why it's a trap. You get a lot of money, you make this movie, and it's a throwaway because it doesn't count towards you because it's not original, it doesn't count towards you because it's just another actor or a director who came out of nowhere and they gave him fifty million dollars to make a remake. Technically, it could be a win. How?

SPEAKER_02

Nobody's gonna say it's better than we won't. That's impossible.

SPEAKER_04

The reason it's gonna be a win is because it's gonna give him more money to make another film.

SPEAKER_02

It'll be a win if it's if the box office reflects it, yeah. Right. Nobody's gonna say it was better than the original. There's a zero percent chance. Unless you don't know new generation of new generation. New generation people, but still get that.

SPEAKER_01

But like if if this movie, like Obsession, becomes like the number five movie in the box office for whatever year it comes out, 2028 or whatever. I mean, people are gonna be like, dude, that movie crushed it. It's a win. Fair. You know, but I mean, we'll see. The other part of this is I don't feel good about it. I'll say that. A24's reimagining of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Is this gonna be a two and a half hour movie? Maybe is this gonna be an Chainsaw Massacre? No, maybe it's A24. We just talked, we just did Hereditary on the pod, another A24 flick. Like when you see A24, A24, which also just did backrooms, which we're gonna talk about in a minute. Yeah, you're getting a certain type of film. You know it's gonna be like kind of gothic, kind of psychological, kind of artsy. And it's gonna pay off. It's gonna pay off because people will slow seek out A24. It's a stamp of approval. But does that match the lore, the grittiness, the rawness of Texas Chainslaw Master? What if he keeps it gritty?

SPEAKER_04

He just said that he's gonna keep it.

SPEAKER_01

Well, he's gonna do the gritty. I think that's what you said. So which one's gonna win out? The director's view or the production company's view?

SPEAKER_03

The way in my head I see it, like these like A24 Blum House, these amorphous machines of horror movies, there's like a situation room where there's like well, they where they've taken all the people out of out of Hollywood that are like we know that horror movies are underrated and that we can make a lot of money off of them if we do X, Y, and Z. So there's like a big like situation room where there's like a big board with like stuff moving around and like red lights flashing over in the corner, a lot of cocaine going around where they're like, you can do this, this, and this. Like it's a giant production team type of thing, is like, look, we brought you in, we want you to make this movie, but if you gotta do it. We're not turning you loose, dude. We're a fucking 24. So you're gonna take our suggestions and we're gonna make this movie.

SPEAKER_02

I think it's getting that way because I mean I A24 was synonymous with unique visions with me for a while, like the the Ty West doing his Maxine trilogy, and you know, there's a lot of different stuff in there where I think they will give talk to me, bring her back. You know, they're they're gonna give them some room.

SPEAKER_03

I hope. They they know how to pick the right horses to do to win the race. Right. But at the same time, I think they do have a the right amount of hands with not like stupid people who are like, well, let's get this. Uh she's viral, important right now. Let's put her in the movie, even though she can't fucking act.

SPEAKER_04

This is trending really well right now. Which I hope the casting director is gonna well, I hope Curry Bacher's gonna have like an opinion on who to cast, right? He's gonna use his friends, I'm sure. A lot of them. And like and bring his own. His friends weren't even bad actors, though, right?

SPEAKER_01

The acting no, the acting obsession was great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Alright, we have talked a lot about this. We're obsessed with obsession. Yeah, and Charlie hasn't even seen it yet.

SPEAKER_04

In my opinion, back rooms were backrooms was good, but like not. Are we jumping right into back rooms?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's the last notes I had on obsession. Let's jump into backrooms.

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Yep.

SPEAKER_02

All four of us have seen this. I have seen it. We have all seen it.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, no spoilers, but let's just quickly I guess we'll start with you because you let in. I didn't what are your thoughts on backrooms? It was fine. Okay, wow.

SPEAKER_04

It wasn't like outstanding to me. I just thought it was fine. I why did you think it was fine? So there was a or not outstanding.

SPEAKER_01

What could have made it better, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

It's mainly what the director said that pissed me off.

SPEAKER_01

Uh what'd he say? He said This is Kane Parsons, the director, by the way. 19-year-old Kane Parsons. By the time it was done, 20, but 19 years old.

SPEAKER_04

Which I get he has the right to say it, but he said it was completely lore accurate when nothing in never mentioned anything before.

SPEAKER_01

So you've seen the Backrooms YouTube series. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

He didn't mention anything else.

SPEAKER_01

I've seen a lot of them too.

SPEAKER_03

It is impossible I saw okay like Isaac brought those to me, and I watched them, and Isaac has brought some good stuff, some stinkers. But I was hooked. I was like, what's that? Let's watch all of it. Let's look okay. He's like, there's two more. It's like, let's watch them. So we like ran through all of them, and it I think the movie captures the essence of those videos perfectly because it is claustrophobic and confusing. Like confusing. I'm lost in three seconds in that. It makes my skin crawl that they would go in there and just willy-nilly be doing what they're doing, and I'm like, no. No, I go in once you go in, nope.

SPEAKER_02

I go in right back out and get some other people to come check this out.

SPEAKER_03

No, I agree with you in that sense. I would not send anybody else in there.

SPEAKER_02

I would burn that building down, I would fill it in with dirt. Okay, Kane Parsons was younger than my son when he did the YouTube videos. He was 15, 14 years old when he was doing those YouTube videos, which is nuts. And he created an entire world within our world that is creepy, right? It's unreasonable. So when he started directing 19, Marc DuPlas was obviously brought into this movie as an actor. He's his name's attached all over, so that's not a spoiler. 12 Years a Slave. Yeah, hold on. That that actor? Uh yeah, Alu. Is he in 12 Years a Slave? Yeah. Who's the main character is? The main character is not Mark Duplas. Mark Duplas.

SPEAKER_01

I'm like, wait, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02

Mark Duplas. The creep theory. Creep two of the league, yeah. The theory was they're handing they're handing him this big project that, well, I mean, it was what was their budget? Like three something million. It wasn't it wasn't huge. But they're all on set construction. The range they're bringing in backup directors. Like Mark DuPlass has directed several things. So I think having him on set to be like a mentor was one of the intentions or whatever.

SPEAKER_01

But he says I did see a reel where people asked Mark DuPlace, like, how much did you input? And he basically says that nothing. Yeah, he said I was there. This is Kane Parsons' movie. Yeah, he's smashed it. I'm gonna I acted.

SPEAKER_02

I acted like he didn't need any help. Obviously, it makes sense that I was hired for that, but he didn't need it, right? He didn't need it as a 19-20-year-old directing this thing. It doesn't make you feel like kind of a lump on the log, but you did make me real funny as a real piece of shit. What have I done with my done? I'm a worthless piece of shit. He's already made a movie that's that's this one's more 200 million, right? Isn't it?

SPEAKER_01

It's currently this is we're recording this on June 19th. Friday, June 19th, and currently it sits at 249 million dollars worldwide. Versus uh, what was the budget? By the time this comes out next week, three million was the budget, it'll it'll be over closer to 300, close to it was it was I don't know what the it wasn't much.

SPEAKER_02

It was I think it was less than 10 though. But like it's beautiful. Like, I mean, they use a lot of practical stuff, and I'm not gonna spoil anything, but they use a lot of practical effects which look really great. I don't know how they did the the casting, this the scouting for location or whatever. It was perfect though.

SPEAKER_03

Oh man, you could go anywhere in America and find space abandoned malls and stuff. Yeah, uh right here.

SPEAKER_02

I will go a little there's a couple stores that are abandoned. So so I will say that I gave this I gave it a three and a half on Letterboxd just because you uh you are left with a lot of questions. And that's it's there's not spoiling.

SPEAKER_01

And is that does that go back to what Atticus said that it doesn't that Kane's saying it, it's oh it's all about the lore, but there's a lot of stuff left out?

SPEAKER_04

No, like is there stuff that no so it's just like stuff that he like did he leave out the lore that he's talking about?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, which was it?

SPEAKER_04

So it do you know what I mean? He adds more to like he changed it. Okay, like that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03

The the original YouTube videos were like this guy finds th stairs that go down under this tree, and the stairs just go on and on and on and on and on. But he then he finally gets down to the bottom, and he's taking like these sequential like videos, and he kind of splices it all together and chops it up into several YouTube videos, and then he's like just in this mall. Yeah, I enjoyed it. And it's weird, there's just nothing in this mall.

SPEAKER_01

So I've not seen YouTube videos, and then there's some you three have are all familiar with the YouTube series.

SPEAKER_02

Charlie might be referencing another like uh he's referencing another offshoot in the mall, but there is one that looks just like the back rooms. Oh, I haven't seen that one. There's there's men in hazmat suits exploring the back room. Yeah, goddamn Isaac, let me down. You need to get into that. God damn it, Isaac. Need to watch that too. Well, the one you watch is cool.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's the one that's uh then you were like, You true to the lore. I was like, that's not true to the lore. I mean that's totally different.

SPEAKER_01

So me and I re Mary Marie and I saw the backrooms not YouTube videos. So and and just on the surface, I'm like, it the movie opens super creepy. It's POV, it's you know, handheld camera stuff. Creepy. There's a part where like they turn the corner and I like almost jump scared because it looked like a monster or a creature, and it's a fucking tripod for a camera.

SPEAKER_04

So if I can include it.

SPEAKER_01

So I was like, I thought, and then they did it like a second time, and I was like, Yeah, I'm like, oh, it's a tripod another tripod for another camera. It's dizzying, it's terrifying because I would have got lost. So many different things. There's so many things that, and then you're starting to pick up little Easter eggs, like, oh, we saw that earlier, oh, we saw that earlier, and you're trying to connect the dots, and it's it's really well done, really good. I enjoyed it, but it's too quick, did not see the YouTube stuff.

SPEAKER_02

The YouTube didn't have a protagonist, right? Like it didn't have a Clark and then that they had to flush out a character and what he's about and stuff.

SPEAKER_01

So if I were to get into the YouTube videos, how much how many hours are we talking? How many hours of YouTube do I gotta devote to it?

SPEAKER_02

Maybe five, five, but like you could split up, I split it up.

SPEAKER_04

So I'm not but they're like 20 minute episodes.

SPEAKER_01

I saw them in the event. Yeah, it's like 20 minute episodes, so it's not really hard, but like are they in order? Can I find them like in order?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think or am I gonna jump in the middle and then find like the top-rated one and be like, wait, who's that?

SPEAKER_02

Somebody's probably one down all the way to the bottom. So in between, there was a video game called Escape the Backrooms that I didn't play, but I didn't play, but I've seen it looks fun.

SPEAKER_04

I couldn't. But like, so I think you watched the wrong scaries because how you I did watch the wrong scares. How you enter the bat so which I didn't like, they changed how you enter it.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, but there was multiple entrances they entered. By slipping through a wall.

SPEAKER_04

No, that's not how you enter it.

SPEAKER_01

It's the theory is you tell us. It's called We keep cutting you off. You wanna clipping.

SPEAKER_04

It's called a yeah, a no-clip. What's that?

SPEAKER_01

Like a video game thing where you go somewhere you're not supposed to.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So it's like canonically, say you're walking somewhere, you just fall to the floor. You're there. That's how it was. He's just stubble upon it. Yeah, you just like somehow like in the movie.

SPEAKER_01

That's how he did with the wall in the movie.

SPEAKER_04

But like it goes away. You can't go out that way.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, same entrance is gone.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, he's gone.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

That's not there anymore.

SPEAKER_01

So that bothered you.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah. Well, the one time he tries to get back out, he can't, but then he goes like three feet to the left and then he gets out.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, the door is always there. And you imagine, I mean, uh this isn't really a spoiler, but there's a door somewhere on a beach about 30 feet in the air.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Because of all the seagulls. Yeah, okay. Yeah, you can't. They wind up inside. Wonky, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and then uh never mind. It's gonna spoil it. Go ahead. Yeah, sorry. No, it's did you have something else you want to get in? I feel like we cut you off. I was like to there's four of us in here, we're cutting each other off with our thoughts.

SPEAKER_04

Like, you can't go back the same way.

SPEAKER_03

You can't even that's what I was afraid of was gonna happen during the movie. I was like, don't fucking go in there.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, you won't get back out. You have to like so this it didn't actually happen in the movie, so it's not a spoiler. You have to basically in the video, you have to escape it. You there you have to keep going to the there's floors in the back room. You have to keep going through these floors, and this is like the video, like you have to clip out somewhere else. Yeah, like there in the first floor, you have to get out this exit, and then you go to a different floor. You just have to keep escaping.

SPEAKER_02

And it's never like it wasn't hard enough to get back out, is what you're saying. Yeah, it should moon. But I mean, the actor, the uh what is his name? Davedoppy. Yes, exactly. Chueto we'll call him, was amazing in this one. Yeah, he was. Great acting, great directing. I was just thinking that they would take that time to explain a little bit more about what was going on. Yeah, that's all.

SPEAKER_03

I think it was one of those movies where it didn't really matter. Like Tolkien has this quote where he, you know, he wrote The Hobbit, he wrote Lord of the Rings, and then people had all these questions. Well, what about all this other stuff? Like, what could have happened? What could you expand on this? He's like, Enjoy the soup. Yeah, don't worry about the bones.

SPEAKER_02

Enjoy the soup. Why didn't they just fly in an eagle?

SPEAKER_03

Like, we don't need all of that, and this is one of those movies where, for me at least, like I have I have a billion questions. But you're okay with that, but I'm okay with that because this is then that's what makes it more believable because in regular life we have a billion questions. That there is no one standing there who wrote our life telling us this is exactly what's going on, and this is why this happened, unless you're religious.

SPEAKER_02

But they've set it up for multiple stories within the back rooms. Like I think it would work well as a HBO show or something like that. This could be an HBO show. Each episode's a different hour, every few years a movie coming out.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah. This is I think that would have been better than the movie.

SPEAKER_03

And the guys that saw this as A24 for an investment and a money train are exactly they're like I can't even imagine being that smart to be like this is a fucking money train. This this franchise will print money for 10 years.

SPEAKER_02

I will give so at the end of the movie, I did hear some booze. They were literally booze. What? Couple people booed.

SPEAKER_01

Not the screening I saw. Okay, good. Those people I mean, and it was a full theater, too.

SPEAKER_04

To be fair, like the people in our theater were kind of jackasses.

SPEAKER_02

They're probably stupid. There were some behind us that were like, they were, you know, we've got the recliners, right? They were like pushing up, down, up, down, and it was squeaking the whole time. I had to like turn around and say, that is really F and La, dude.

SPEAKER_03

I I told them to like these are people that are like, what's going on? Fuck you, shut up. Those are the people.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Were these the people that were like, Oh, it's not like the YouTube video? Probably. Just like the people are with the new text chain, so I'll be like, it's not the original text chain.

SPEAKER_04

Maybe I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

I mean it's recent enough to work. It is, it's not, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Well, no, I didn't so I I didn't like hate the movie. So like I I like what'd you would you give it on Letterboxd? I think I gave it I no, I'm logged out. I can't get back in. I can't give it.

SPEAKER_05

I would have for illegal use.

SPEAKER_04

My my kind of like I forgot all my like my information, so I can't get back in. I would have gave it a three and a half stars.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, so that's the same as me. That's a good that's a yeah, 70.

SPEAKER_04

I enjoyed it. It's not gonna be a movie I'm gonna watch again for second.

SPEAKER_03

What about you, Mike? I mean, like I feel like we're just stepping all over Mike's ideas. I don't have um no, I don't have two.

SPEAKER_01

I think I gave this a two and a half. Oh, okay. And I only I only did that because I left the theater with more questions than answers, but later on I found myself thinking about connecting the dots for like the next 12 hours. Yeah. The day the night after, even the day after Mary and Marie was like, so do you think this part of the movie? Like, we were still talking about the movie the next day. So that means it resonated on something was in there that that it had to. You know, movie did really that really, really a corporate retreat did not do that to us. But we're still talking about it. I flushed that thing down the toilet the second I left. The the POV stuff, the found footage, the handheld cam stuff, so so so good. Love that stuff. But some of the other aspects were silly to me, did not align with the story. I'm I don't want to spoil it, but there's a villain that I just found like just incredibly silly. And I'm like, what? This is fucking dumb. So yeah, I just kind of some of that took me off.

SPEAKER_03

I would have gone four on this because mainly because of what you were saying. Like when I'm sitting in the movie and I'm watching it, it's it's disturbing, it's claustrophobic. But when I come out of the movie, I'm thinking about it. Right. And if it's one of those movies that gets in your head and you can't get it out, which kind of amps the score up for me on just about any kind of movie. And this one, I mean, I'm I still think about that movie every single day.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I gotta say this, I would have taken like a spray paint and like get out of there. What are you doing? I'd have marked my yeah, trail.

SPEAKER_04

I would have put some candles on the left side of the wall.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. Like Minecraft.

SPEAKER_03

I would have they would have been like, could you survive that when we do this up on an episode? And like, can you survive this? Uh yeah, hell yeah. You would have gone through, I would have gone through, looked around, and got the fuck out of there. Yeah. I don't know what happened to him. He went through the wall and he never came out.

SPEAKER_02

I thought it was extra square footage, you know, like barbarian, you know, like that. I'm pleading the fifth, Your Honor. I don't know what the fuck. So I think we were gonna talk about the direction of Hollywood, right? A little bit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, real quick, just last thing on backrooms, little differences between backrooms and obsession with the numbers. We talk about obsession opened to a 17.1 million dollar first weekend. Backrooms open to an 81.4 million dollar opening weekend.

SPEAKER_02

And that goes towards Atticus's point where it's not an unknown entity. It is a there's a following, there's kind of you know right.

SPEAKER_01

So an obsession trended up each week historically, big as like the second over first, third over second weekend. Obsession or backrooms opened big, stayed big, but like has severely dropped off. I get it.

SPEAKER_04

So what I was saying, this this is not our original idea. Let's just put it on a way.

SPEAKER_01

But it's Kane Parsons' idea, so it is his original idea. It's not some director taking Stanley's idea and Stanley also stupid ass Marvel shit with it. Let me say it's it's like if somebody gave you you know five-minute clips, five-minute clips, but then it's it is an original idea that he made a cohesive movie out of this whole many movies start as a short and say, let's just call these a series of shorts, and then they make it a real movie. So a lot of movies start that way. But so it's an original idea because it's Kane Parsons' idea, and now he's just putting it on the big screen what he's already put in.

SPEAKER_02

And think about think about the audience that was watching the YouTube videos. They were 12, 13, 14. Like they have grown with knowing this, and uh when you watch something for free or when you listen to a podcast, I think you like look for ways to give back sometimes. So I think that's a part of it too, right? People will buy Bill Simmons' book because they listen to his podcast for free all the time, or whatever, right? So it's I think that's part of this.

SPEAKER_03

I think also like because there were so many people who knew about it and hyped it up, and people went to watch it. And A twenty four people came out of that movie, not very smart people came out of that movie and were like, This movie sucks.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, don't do it. There was no there was no titties, there was no no blood and gore. We said no spoilers.

SPEAKER_03

Spoiler letters may or may not be titties, and so it was like the opposite of what hyped it up in the beginning was people coming out slamming it and saying, Oh, this is stupid, but so but didn't Curry Barker and Kane Parsons get their start in the same medium viral in TikTok series, TikTok, YouTube tacky.

SPEAKER_01

So why Kane Parsons exponentially more than than Curry Barker?

SPEAKER_02

Well, here's the deal with Curry Barker. Curry Barker was nowhere visible in he's not he's got a role in the movie, a voice role in the movie, but he's not a featured actor, and I don't think there's Kane Parsons. Well, here's more actors in it. So Kane Parsons had the the four years of buildup, like of this IP essentially, of this idea, right? Okay, Curry Barker is in like I just say, oh, that's that guy on TikTok. I never knew his name was Curry Barker. Okay, right. I never knew that's what I was getting at is like, and if I did, I know him as a comedy sketch guy, right? So that's how Zach Krager started too. Exactly. Whitest guys you know, right. So that's that's why I think that uh Curry Barker didn't get people didn't go to the movie because they knew his name. Right. That's okay.

SPEAKER_01

So obsession was a word of mouth phenomenon, whereas backrooms is based on something people already knew about, right?

SPEAKER_04

And we can't forget it has more notorious actors.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And then the other guy.

SPEAKER_02

Notorious, notorious. Yeah, there's some there's some bigger names, but I mean Andy Richter is an obsession. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Who is Andy Richter? What is he?

SPEAKER_01

He's been conan of a side click for years, and he he shows up. He has like five lines here.

SPEAKER_02

Five lines of the movie.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, in just ten days, backrooms surpassed Marty Supreme as A twenty four's highest grossing film of all time. Take that. Marty Supreme did a $191 million. Like I said, Backrooms currently sits at $249 million worldwide, but is going to get closer to $300 million for them. Obsession and Backrooms are currently the eighth and ninth eighth and ninth highest grossing movies of 2026 worldwide. Nice. I wanted to talk about where uh the future of movies are going. Let's do it in this order. Let's talk about both Justin, you and Charlie both have Gen Z kids. Gen Z Backrooms has proved is showing out for horror flicks like we haven't seen before. When we were kids, there was no YouTube. YouTube is the vessel that young kids can find whatever they want. It's kind of scary to think about that they can just find shit. Whereas like we had to go seek shit out. We had to wait and wait and learn about it, go somewhere to find it and actually pull it off a shelf and bring it home and put it in a machine.

SPEAKER_02

Now YouTube, so we didn't talk about Iron Lung either, but I mean obviously that's a different top topic. But Markiplier with Iron Lung was a YouTube creator, too. So it's like it's finding your souls.

SPEAKER_03

But I think I I think that it's apples and oranges technology-wise, but the human like Spielberg did films when he was a kid. All the big directors have done that type of thing back with like those giant VHS camcorders.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

They made on Super 8, they did what they had, and they made videos, and it was their life. And then they went to school and they got into the business and they interned and they like carried coffee to fucking shit bird actors for five years. And then they got their break. I mean, it's not dissimilar. Like, how many years was that guy? I mean, he's he's a prodigy, he's 19. He's doing he got his own fucking movie that made over two or is gonna make nearly 300 million dollars, but it's the same thing. I mean, that guy paid paying dues.

SPEAKER_00

I hate when fucking old people say you haven't been in the business long enough, you haven't paid the dues.

SPEAKER_03

Fuck that. He's really good. Mozart didn't pay any fucking dues. He's fucking Mozart. We still know who he is.

SPEAKER_02

But like he paid dues in a different way. He probably edited and produced like 50 different videos by the time that most people, you know, that would have taken years and years of experience.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, he he he knows what he's doing, he's doing a good job.

SPEAKER_02

Like Mike is our editor on the spot.

SPEAKER_03

It's not easier, it's just different.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's different, and but like it's a different well that they're gonna that Hollywood's gonna fish in because they know these people have 70 million, 100 million followers to begin with.

SPEAKER_01

So like and that was gonna be my my big question here is like, is this the future? Is like going to film school kind of just not gonna be the way to break into Hollywood anymore? They're not mutually. Are people gonna just start making YouTube videos and hope that A24 or Neon or Paramount or hopefully they'd be covered? Of course not. Netflix stumbles across their YouTube video and is like, hey, we'll give you look up how many people. We'll give you $10 million. Of course there's something for us.

SPEAKER_03

There's gonna be that those lazy ass people who are gonna put money together and think they can just go that's the find somebody on YouTube who's got five million followers, and let's and he's a genius. We'll do the same thing A24 is, but we're stupid. And when he's gonna make a movie, and it's gonna be garbage, and it's gonna bump. It's not like any different than what we get now.

SPEAKER_01

Because they're gonna they're gonna pick some, they're gonna pick somebody that'd be like, we can he can make us a movie that we'll put out and it'll do $50 million this opening weekend just on his name. Guaranteed, just on his name, right? It can and then it can suck after that, we'll make our money back, and it won't.

SPEAKER_03

And it'll bump.

SPEAKER_02

And then it'll be circular because then they'll stop going to YouTube and finding people just Charlie touched on this a little bit earlier that Seth that Curry Barker now has pressure and he's gonna have more people. There's gonna be strings attached, he's not gonna have to finance himself, so he's gonna have less control, and like it's not gonna be the product he wants to make.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, the trap.

SPEAKER_02

It's a trap.

SPEAKER_01

So Justin, you brought up Markiplier and Atticus that you were a Markiplier fan, right? Yeah, I have you talked about him on the how many has he got?

SPEAKER_04

So he has 38.7 million on YouTube, 12.5 on Instagram, and then 24 on TikTok.

SPEAKER_01

So do you know how that compares to Kane Parsons and Curry Barker? Way more.

unknown

Wait.

SPEAKER_01

That's way more. But Iron London did do as good as these.

SPEAKER_02

I like did pretty he's self-financed like that. Like he did pretty like it's an amazing success for him. Okay. Like it did like 10 its first weekend. But like, yeah, it's it's underneath these two, right? Okay, forgive me. Is his name Mark appliers? Well, his YouTube name is I'm being really old right now. His first name is Mark, but I don't know what his last name is.

SPEAKER_04

Something so their Curry Barker's like actual thing is called That's a Bad Idea.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, I like it.

SPEAKER_04

They have 1.3 million on TikTok? On TikTok. Okay. And then YouTube 38 million for Marky Plier? Just on YouTube. And he has 24 million on TikTok.

SPEAKER_02

Who does Mark Plyr has 24 million? 24 million on TikTok. That's I mean, so that's legit, but like to your point, how I don't know. This was you know, it was a niche game. It was a weird game, Iron Lung was, that Mark Plyr has been building for a couple years. So I don't know why it didn't crush what's the final numbers on that one. I know it did, it's doing the first week it did pretty good. It was tough. It was better than Melania.

SPEAKER_03

No, take it back.

SPEAKER_02

I love it when people are like, oh, we've got tickets for Melania. I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna talk anymore on that. Come on, friend. You want to see opening weekend Melania, huh?

SPEAKER_04

Unfollow 51.2 million global. And what was the budget?

SPEAKER_02

It was less it was less than two? Roughly three. Okay. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. And he and he self-funded like and his digital platform straight to YouTube. So people are buying it right off of YouTube too. So he's transforming how people are buying movies because before they had to have some kind of else distributor in between. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And A24 and the N or whatever.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

So you guys that have kids and you are kid atticus that are into this. It who's the next name? Who's somebody your kids are showing you or Atticus? Who's somebody that you're like, this guy's doing what King Park is? That's a good question. I'm gonna have to go grill I can are you guys like are you in that deep? Are you just you know, is word of mouth getting rid of what your life being? Hey, this guy, this guy's gonna make like a hundred million dollar movie two years from now. What I'd like to do that deep yet.

SPEAKER_02

What I'd like to see is some of the like the underrepresented, underrepresented classes like that are making hilarious stuff get noticed on YouTube and TikTok. Because that's there's barriers obviously to entry on this, so that would be great if it kind of opened up that part of it.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, Atticus, homework. Yeah, bring us five names, yeah, five channels that we have to watch, and we'll let you know if we think it's gonna be. The guy who did that one video you referenced, he should be on the what guy, the one with the mall. Yeah, the same. Yeah, that's that's the guy. That's the guy.

SPEAKER_02

That's the guy. He should be next. Whoever it is. I don't like you have to ask my sister. Yeah, Apollo wouldn't know because like some of the stuff.

SPEAKER_04

I watch like funny stuff. So, like, and like when Apollo recommends something, I may like watch it. I don't really listen to her though.

SPEAKER_01

So we've gone deep, guys. I got I got two more things I want to touch on. I didn't know that that talk was gonna be so long. That was supposed to be a short episode. I didn't know we were gonna go so long on those, but anyway, so at least for now, this so far, like this looks like it like kind of the future, especially for the horror genre. I like getting to movies. Justin and I we we watched Dolly and potted on it while Charlie was away. Charlie, have you seen Dolly? I have not. Is it worth watching? Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_03

Justin just looks like it's a five. Someone's looking over at me like big eyes, like two and a half. Don't do it. I gave it a two and a half.

SPEAKER_01

I wanted to give it a two, but I gave it a two and a half. Oh my god. Anyway, so director of Dolly, Rod Blackhurst, he created a short film in 2014 called Alone Time. It's on YouTube. I have alone time. Well, the short baby girl that became Dolly is a different short. Okay. He created one in 2024 called, or in 2014, called Alone Time, and that has two million views on YouTube. Witchcraft, motion picture company, and fever dream will now turn this viral short into a feature film. So the director of Dolly will get another feature film based on a short he did 12 years ago. But how long? I guess we kind of talked about this. Like, do you how long do you think this will last where people are going to go to directors and find their short films on YouTube and be like, we're going to make this like here's some money, go make it. And then will it inevitably inevitably get ruined this way? I think we're all finding pictures.

SPEAKER_02

We're always trying to find different IP or different things to exploit, like G.I. Joe, Battleship, things like that that are just outside of the norm. So this is just the next level of that where you're like, we're gonna go scour these old catalogs of these YouTube producers, see what's out there. You know, they're always looking for the new Lake Deficient.

SPEAKER_03

I I think nothing has changed. Yeah. Like this has always been there, they're they're in a gold rush. They're gonna go wherever the money is, wherever the gold is, and they're gonna try to dig it up. Try to get their first and if it changes, it changes. But I mean, it's always been changing. Yeah, video games, comic books. They're like video games, comic books, novels. It's always been the minds that that they've gone after. Now there's just a new type of mind. It's called YouTube, it's called social media, uh, TikTok, green books.

SPEAKER_02

It used to be just books, right?

SPEAKER_03

I mean, that was all there was, right? You know, occasionally you would get in because you you did an adaptation of a book and you would come up with something original for a movie, but I mean that's that's the same thing we're doing now. It just feels different, and as an old, I mean, it just it it your impulse, your knee-jerk reaction is to make it like an attack on you, and the way things have always been, and this has always worked. Things change. Like I was young once, and and I heard that from old people, and I didn't like it. I was like, fuck you guys, and we're gonna do it this way. And VHS is the wave of the future, it lasts a hundred years. VHS was actually inferior to Betamax.

SPEAKER_02

Did you know that? I'm serious, but but they had better marketing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

They've been no, it was the porn industry that put them over the top.

SPEAKER_02

I was letting you walk into that trap, Charlie.

SPEAKER_03

I know you were, I know you were setting me up for that. All right, what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_01

All right, uh so alone time. I watched it, it's 12 minutes long. Yeah, not bad. It's yeah, it's it's the shortcut in it. No, short centers on the the their protagonist who works hard all day, works in a cubicle, pretty boring job, but seems to just get burnt out. So she's gonna have some alone time. She takes a self-camping trip, she goes, drives out into the woods, she stops at the gas station. I think she leaves her phone behind on this camping trip. She picks up a disposable camera. Rookie move. Oh, and yeah, alone time. 12 minutes and 15 seconds. Yep. Sounds like she gets the one. She gets the disposable camera. She goes out and she camps and she does camping stuff and she swims in a lake and takes pictures of everything she's doing, comes back to the city, takes her disposable camera, do a one-hour photo, gets them back. Sees Robin Williams. That was funny, actually. First funny cutting you made in a while. No. So he uh wow. So she she comes back, she sits down, she looks at her photos, and she sees all these scenic pictures she took, and then she sees pictures of herself sleeping. Damn, wow. That's like the um VHS. So that is a quite uh an interesting concept for a horror movie. So some of these shorts are just like, here's we're gonna make the first 12 minutes of this horror movie, and then someone will buy it and be like, make the rest of it.

SPEAKER_02

Atticus made a joke about who camps for fun, and I it reminded me of a joke that Jim Gaffigan or somebody made. He was like, uh, my parents didn't take me camping much because they loved me.

SPEAKER_01

All right, so where are we at? Last thing I got Damien Damien Leon's next project. Your boy. Terrifier, writer, director, creator, producer, everything. Tortures of the Damned is his next project. This is gonna be produced by Lionsgate and Ghost House Pictures, which is Sam Raimi's production company. It's gonna have a different tone than Terrifier, but a bigger budget. So we'll get to see the Terrifier creator with a big budget with a lot of money.

SPEAKER_03

It's like a zombie thing.

SPEAKER_01

Well, we don't know what the source material is. So there's a book that was written in 2015 called Tortures of the Damned that's a post-apocalyptic horror. There's also a technique in Clockwork Orange, where the main character Alex is forced to watch violent imagery for hours. He says a famous line, I've seen the tortures of the damned. In a religious context, it translates to a living hell type situation. We don't know if any of those are going to be part of it, but I mean anyway. So producing on alongside Raimi seems like a perfect fit for Damien Leon to me. Would you agree? Well, I know the way Sam Raimi came up, like same Sam Raimi created Evil Dead with his high school buddies, they created it and made part one, part two all by themselves, limited budget, just like Leon did with Terrifier. Limited budget, made this incredible stuff, and then Raimi got the chance from there to do other things. He parlayed Evil Dead's success into Dark Man, some major studio movies, even did some stuff out of horror, like a romance sports drama, such as For Love of the Game, and then into Spider-Man, like the the good Spider-Mans from not those shitty ones. So, you know, Leon getting into big budget horror film now. Like, do you think he could move into something that's out of left field if he stays in this horror lane? Like, I mean, Sam Raimi's still putting shit out. He he went away from horror for a little bit, now he's back. Send help was fucking amazing. Yeah, we all love send help. Like Sam Raimi's still got his fastball, right?

SPEAKER_02

Let me t let me talk on Leon for a second. Okay. I think the he needs to do something different than Terrifier. Not that Terrifier's bad or good or or anything. He just needs to be a good thing. It's time to move on. He needs to prove that he can do something else. Let somebody else have the director rights on these and start working on something else, right? But like Sam Raimi's got a lot more. I don't know. I I think Sam Raimi's got a lot more fun spirit in his movies and stuff. So if you're talking about a pair as far as like theme goes, like an Eli Roth might be a better type of companion. But yeah, I'm I'm excited for to see what else he can create outside of art.

SPEAKER_04

So this is his second the guy who made Terrifier, right? Yeah. So this is his second time doing like something based on a book, kind of, right? Or did he not do it?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we don't know the source material of this. Wasn't he in the All Hollows Eve is where he is.

SPEAKER_04

Or Nine Gates of Hell, Nine Rings of Hell, or whatever.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, he did do something else, but it was real small. Short film, short film kind of thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

That's where Terrifier was. Like All Hollows Eve is where Art the Clown debuted.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. That's all he wanted to say. He wanted to say what he knew.

SPEAKER_04

Well, no, he actually, technically, it's a book. And if you look in there, the author of the book is holding her book that Art the Clown originated in. So in the part. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Go outside, nerd. Quatre. Go outside nerd. Martha's charming.

SPEAKER_01

I think I think it's interesting that Sam Raimi's production company, and basically that means Sam Raimi is bringing Damien the Own on.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

As somebody that got his start the same way Sam Raimi got his start. Yeah, practical effects. Not in YouTube, which we're talking. Yeah, like Evil Dead wasn't a YouTube series. No, but but basically it's like Sam Raimi must see in him in Damien Leon what he sees in himself, and there's bigger and better things for him. Sam Raimi seems very maybe not better.

SPEAKER_02

Terrifier's huge, but Evil Dead was fun. He seems like a generous guy. He handpicked Fetty Avres to do the remake of Evil Dead. He you know, so I think he likes that mentoring role, if you will.

SPEAKER_01

So I think it's really interesting that he picked Leon as someone to bring into for his production company to do a big budget movie for Leon to do. Speaking of Elizabeth, I think it's new newsworthy. So he's gonna be in Skyfest.

SPEAKER_03

So again, for Atticus, who's Eli Roth?

SPEAKER_02

Eli Roth was in Inglorious Bastards as the Bear Jew, but he also directed Hostile and Thanksgiving and Green Inferno. Yeah, sure. A lot of stuff. He's in Death Proof.

SPEAKER_03

You get that, Atticus?

SPEAKER_02

I got it. Oh, yeah, he was one of the things.

SPEAKER_03

To be fair, I didn't know it either. So when you don't know, then you're supposed to use that joke on me. So Charlie doesn't could you explain to Charlie who Eli Routh is? Alright.

SPEAKER_01

Is there anything else you guys want to talk about? Nah, man. That was longer than I thought it was gonna be. We must really, really like obsession and back rooms, guys. That was some good conversation. Obsession. If you haven't seen those yet, you know, consider consider donating your your 12 to 19 dollars, depending on where you live, to build the box office of backrooms and obsession. Ten dollars if you have a million dollars. What are you flexing? Flexing. I'm a brag. Well, thanks for listening to All Guts So Gory Podcast. Please rate and review us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us so you don't miss your favorite horror movies. We just did Hereditary, a Charlie pick, it's a laugh riot. And then and uh Justin's pick coming up after this is House on Haunted Hill from 1999. Tay Diggs, y'all. Um, so check that out coming up, and then we'll have another mini episode next week, and then it'll be my pick, which is TBD. So check those things out. Yeah, it's uh you know it's to be determined if you didn't know slang. All right. Gee, thanks. Part 811, bring your dick. Drop us some fan mail in the link of our show notes. You can find a link, drop us some mail, engage with us, we'll engage with you back. We'd love to do that. If you got a movie request or whatever you want us to talk about, we'll talk about it. That's about it. Thank you, Atticus. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you, Justin. You're welcome. I'm Mike. This has all got so gory. Andy, take us home.

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This is the end friend.