All Guts, So Gory: A Horror Movie Podcast
All Guts, So Gory is a weekly horror movie podcast hosted by Mike, Justin, and Charlie. Each week, one host selects a horror film—anything from cult classics and slashers to supernatural chillers and modern gore-fests—for the trio to dissect. With a mix of sharp insights, dark humor, and plenty of passion for the genre, All Guts, So Gory delivers lively discussions that celebrate the bloody, the bizarre, and everything in between. If you love horror movies, this is the podcast to sink your teeth into.
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All Guts, So Gory: A Horror Movie Podcast
My Bloody Valentine (1981), w/ Bob Rose! | Mike's Picks
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We have a great conversation with Baltimore based filmmaker and podcast host Bob Rose! He talks about the great podcast he co-hosts, Writers Blockbusters. The time he filmed John Waters, and the number of times they happen to be at the movies together. Growing up next to John Kassir, the iconic voice of the Crypt Keeper. The toughest things no one thinks about appreciating when it comes to low to no budget filmmaking. Plus Bob’s favorite horror films, and Mondo Baltimore, where a group of folks including Bob get together to screen films for the public that they want to see back on the big screen again in a crowded theater.
We had some technical difficulties. so the conversation on My Bloody Valentine is cut short, but Mike summarizes the 2nd half as best he can.
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All Guts, So Gory is a weekly horror movie podcast hosted by Mike, Charlie, and Justin. Each week, one host picks a horror film of their choice—anything from cult classics and slashers to supernatural chillers and modern gore-fests—for the trio to dissect. With a mix of sharp insights, dark humor, and plenty of passion for the genre, All Guts, So Gory delivers lively discussions that celebrate the bloody, the bizarre, and everything in between. If you love horror movies, this is the podcast to sink your teeth into.
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Have you ever made an embarrassing mistake at your job? It happened to me today. Unbeknownst to me, the recording of today's episode quit on us about an hour in, right as we get into the heart of my bloody Valentine. Pun definitely intended. We have a great conversation with Baltimore-based filmmaker and podcast host Bob Rose, where he talks about his podcast that I'm a fan of Writer's Blockbusters, the time he filmed John Waters, and the number of times they happen to be together at the movies. Growing up next to John Kassier, the iconic voice of the Cryptkeeper. The toughest things no one thinks about appreciating when it comes to low to no budget filmmaking. Plus Bob's favorite horror movies, and Mondo Baltimore, where a group of folks, including Bob, get together to screen films for the public that they want to see back on the big screen again in a crowded theater. One of those is today's pick. They screened it back in April for Mondo Baltimore. It's a mic pick. Roses are red, violets are blue, one is dead, and so are you. All guts so gory presents 1981's by Bloody Valentine.
SPEAKER_00In this town on Valentine's Day, everybody loses their heart. Looks like Harry Warden's back in town. In the town of Valentine Bluffs. There are many ways to die. Take your pick, my bloody Valentine. The mad and macabre. You don't know what death is. It's nice and dice.
SPEAKER_03Welcome to the All Guts. I'm Mike, joined as always by Justin and Charlie. We want to welcome a very special guest to the show, filmmaker, podcast host, and Baltimore native, Bob Rose.
SPEAKER_01Bob, how are you? Wet. Well, it's gonna be that outside. I know we're handsome, but not that kind of wet. We'll take whatever. I'm excited, not that excited.
SPEAKER_02In relation to Johnny Rose.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no. Pete Rose, Johnny Rose. There's a Bobby Rose that plays for the California Angels in the 90s. Not him either.
SPEAKER_04That's before they went to LA. Yeah. Um, yeah, Mike, I was worried. I was like, should I be on my best behavior? And he's like, no, he makes uh he makes the most inappropriate t-shirts, so you're good to go. My personal favorite, you know, I it touched me. It said, it was like REM, Michael Steib. It said everybody squirts. So I was like, all right, I'm down with that one. Or I also liked the uh throw me to the wolves, I'll just suck all their dicks. That was a good t-shirt, too. I saw it. Oh, thank you. That was good. That's good.
SPEAKER_01I'm glad anyone liked them. I did it for five years just as a cre just a creative exercise where I was just like, I want to write jokes and put them out there without any effort. And that was how I chose to do it. There you go. So I did it with t-shirts.
SPEAKER_04So just to let you know, I was singing the song Everybody Hurts, but replacing it with squirt. So, you know.
SPEAKER_03My job is done. Do that from now on. Oh man. So thank you for being with us, Bob. I want to tell you, Writers Blockbusters is a great podcast. It's one that I stumbled across a few years back after I moved from Baltimore out here to the Midwest, and you know, was listening to your guys, and I can't remember which episode, it might have been the Jaws one. Either you or Jamie or Jimmy had said, you know, I remember seeing like a re-release of this when at the Senator Theater or and somebody else dropped like the Avenue in White Marsh, and I was like, Oh my gosh, I know those places, and then come to find out like you guys were from my stomping ground. So yeah, you know, tell me a little bit, tell our listeners a little bit about the writers blockbusters and how you and Jamie and Jimmy met who you co-host with.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, so first, the number one, thank you for enjoying the show at all. You know, I'm happy that anyone does. But Jamie and Jimmy, like, if you don't if anyone doesn't know who they are, uh Jamie Nash has written three Save the Cat books. If you guys are familiar with Save the Cat, like it's kind of like the blueprint for Hollywood sort of, you know, some people hate it. We talk about that a lot on the show. But he's written three of those books. Jimmy is the co-creator of WNUF Halloween special, if anybody's familiar with that. And we we all met years ago through film Baltimore film stuff. You know, Jamie has written a lot of movies that Ed Sanchez has done. Ed Sanchez is the Blair Rich Projector. Blair Rich Project. He's actually the only guest ever on Writers Blockbusters. We are a non-guest podcast. Like, but but he's the only exception we ever made. Because he's a huge Star Wars nerd, if you didn't know that. So he did our he did our Star Wars, the original Star Wars with us. But yeah, we met, we just met through Baltimore Circles with I I worked, I've worked on Jimmy's movies, I've worked on Jamie Jamie's movies because I my I mean my biggest credit is easily VHS2, nice, where I I edited the uh zombie segment of VHS2, nice, which which as Sanchez directed. And you know, Jamie was I think Jamie was at some point in Mondo Baltimore, and also we all sort of just met because we had a mutual friend who was in charge of all the screenings in Baltimore. So I used to go see all these movies with Jamie, even though even when we didn't know each other very well, because we would just be there to see free movies, right? Like a week early, you know. No, it was great. So we all we all have this like kind of you know, you you've you lived in Baltimore. Yep, it's smaller, it is smaller, and then you add in the film thing and it gets even more focused.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_01So like we all just crossed each other's paths, and then we've all worked together, and you know, we all have the same taste. You know, we disagree a lot, but we have the same taste, and you know how that goes.
SPEAKER_03So those guys have great chemistry, great camaraderie on your show. I can tell you guys are like really good friends and work well together. It's awesome. We're still drawing Justin. But it's his basement.
SPEAKER_04It's my house, so they have to let me know. Yeah, that's great. Bullshit, man.
SPEAKER_01No, those guys came to me years ago and I was I had a I had a podcasting, not Empire, but a podcasting network of 16 shows in Baltimore. Ringer Eagles. It was a it was a great time. It was also a mess wrangling all those shows together, but it was consisted of like comedy shows and and movie shows and horror and conspiracy theory shows. Everything Baltimore had to offer it lasted three and a half years, and then we were we were like, okay, enough. But this was one of the things that kind of was born out of it, and it's the last remaining thing I do with podcasting, really, writers blockbusters, that is.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01And those guys knew that I was involved in that, and they came to me and they're like, Do you want to do this? And I was like, Yeah, you know, and so I I, you know, like the three of us, it works. Those two, those two guys are like one's a script consultant, the other teaches script writing in a college. They both have their own separate work too, and you know, then there's me who's just seen way, way, way, way too many movies, and then that's it. So man.
SPEAKER_03So having having worked in a number of different roles behind the camera, what's something that you wish horror fans knew about pertaining to the difficulty of independent filmmaking?
SPEAKER_01Scheduling.
SPEAKER_03Scheduling.
SPEAKER_01Everything comes down to there's two, yeah, the two things that are the hardest about anytime you make anything, in my opinion. Scheduling people. I think Jimmy would agree with me. Jimmy's an incredible producer, he would agree with me. Scheduling people to be at a place and a time to do the same thing is so impossible. So that's why you want to write scripts with like one guy in a room. Right. Always, you know. Got two two guys sitting on a couch talking, great, you know. Right. But but scheduling, and then if when you're talking money, food. It's all about food. Yeah. So feeding because if you're not paying people right, you gotta feed them. For sure. And there's where all the money goes. It's not your special effects, it's not all this, it's it's food. It's buying people food and yeah, making sure they're comfortable. They have drinks and everything like that. So those are just not glamorous things to say, but scheduling and food.
SPEAKER_03I mean, cate catering's a credit in every movie I've seen. Yeah, catering gets a credit. They're heroes, man.
SPEAKER_01They're heroes.
SPEAKER_02That's like basic. It seems basic when you say it, but stuff that I never even crossed my mind. Like when you're making a movie, when you're doing anything big. Yeah, scheduling is just so important for everything. And then, of course, keeping people happy. Number two.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, if you said independent films, so like I mean, look, I've made mostly no budget stuff. If my if I'm asking people to show up, the least I can do is make sure they get a piece of pizza or something. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, and make sure they're not going hungry because I I don't have any money to actually pay for their time, you know. So there it's food. Food, yeah. You guys gonna fight about best Baltimore pizza or no? No, no, I I can't even eat pizza anymore, so go ahead. It's your choice.
SPEAKER_03No, I mean, honestly, it I mean, I I did like I like pub dog a lot, but I don't think there's such a thing as Baltimore pizza.
SPEAKER_01So I think yeah, it'd be like Baltimore crab seasoning or something like crabs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you get old bay wings. There's old bay ice cream here, man. Everything. Oh, yeah. Like the Fisher's Old Bay caramel popcorn. Uh yeah, yeah. They they put old bay, it's on the table with salt and pepper.
SPEAKER_01I think there was an old bay beer at the end.
SPEAKER_03There was flying dog made it, yeah. Oh, what was it called? I can't remember the name of it, but it was something catch or something, but yeah, it was fresh.
SPEAKER_01I can't remember the name of it. Beer hunt. Do you ever have the uh old bay hot sauce? Yeah, oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03That was put that on some scrambled eggs, so yeah.
SPEAKER_04So great stuff. I don't know if you've had a chance to listen to our podcast at all, but uh Mike I have a little bit. Mike does a funny little uh thing where he uh shouts out some characters of what they'd sound like if they were from Baltimore. So you'll have to you'll have to give us your opinion later.
SPEAKER_01Well, I guess can I ask? Do I sound I people tell me I have an accent. I can't actually phone. No, no, no, no, you're good.
SPEAKER_03No, you don't you don't have the you don't over have the overly Baltimore accent. Give them an example, Mike. I don't think I do, and I think I mean this this phone from the Silence of the Lambs podcast we did, where in the research I found that in the novel Hannibal Lecter is from Baltimore and not and in the movie, Anthony Hopkins obviously has this Welsh or whatever accent, Scottish accent, whatever. And I was like, well, that'd be weird. Like if Hannibal Lecter was from Baltimore, what would that sound like? And you know, when she's telling him about you know the release you'll get, you'll go to this facility, and he's like, Plum Island, down the ocean, get a walk on the beach, like you know. I kind of it kind of spawned from that, and then um, you know, I gotta you know, we better get we better leave on Friday or traffic's gonna be hell, you know.
SPEAKER_01Wait, let me try to say the down the ocean. Do I sound down the ocean? Do I sound the owner?
SPEAKER_03It's one word, it's downy. Downy ocean.
SPEAKER_01No, I'm trying to say like I would say it. I'm curious if I sound like I'm from Baltimore, but you don't know, you don't have as as negotiate. Negotiate, negotiate, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Negotiate. So then in some of them I just tried to fit it in, like if there's any quotes that you know, I'm like, this character, they were from there. It sound like this. So let's stick with the with the Baltimore stuff. I read that you filmed John Waters. Huge, I'm a huge fan. What what is John like? What was that experience like like in working with him?
SPEAKER_01Let me first say this is that I have run like it's fun, it's so cliche, but I have run into John Waters so many times in my life, just going to like move movie screenings and stuff, like it it became not even a big deal anymore because it happened so often. Like, I when I saw It Follows, he sat right behind him, right behind me. Oh wow. I I Crispin Glover had a screening here once that I attended, really sat right next to me. This was not planned or anything. He just happened to he just came in and sat down, and I was like, There's John Waters, right? I saw I'll never forget Jackass 3. My friend was running the screening, the pre-screening, it was like about a week in advance, and John Waters sat right in front of us, and and he actually like like told us to like, hey, can you wash these seeds for us and everything? I was just like, Yeah, yeah, sure. I think he knows my face at this point, but nice when I when I did film him, it was actually for a failed project that never happened, which is really kind of funny. Somebody was trying to make a it was a uh, you know, Pratt Street Library, yeah. I mean you should know, yeah. So they were making like a literacy commercial or something for that, and I was gonna be like the cinematographer. This is how low budget is. I was the cinematographer, you know, like and that meant I owned a camera. So they got they got John Woods to come for a morning shoot for about an hour, and you know that that was cool. I was the cinematographer on basically an interview, an interview with John Wooders about lit mare uh Baltimore literacy. He had to say a few lines too. Couldn't be great nicer, like directly actually working with him and stuff. Great guy. He took photos with all of us, you know. He was there donating his time because it was the library, so it was even unpaid, and he was still gracious enough to do it.
SPEAKER_03So that's awesome. He he seems like a really good dude in just things I've seen, documentaries, or he shows up on just some political shows. Like I watch Bill Maher and he's on there from time to time, or he was on John Molaney's Netflix show like last year with Stavros Halkeus, and he just seems like a just a great dude. He's like pulls no punches, and what you see is what you get. And uh it's good, it's good to hear that because you know some people are like don't meet your heroes and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01No, he's always been really cool. Like every I mean, whenever I've encountered him, he's he's always been I've been like I've waved to him and stuff. He went, he he gives me a nod and everything. I don't know if he recognizes me, but the John Waters nod. I like it. Yeah, yeah. Dude, that's great. I have f I have like a friend that sort of knows him. He's the guy who got him to that library screening. Nice, but cool. But that this was this was like a decade ago, too, by the way. It's not anytime recently.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so yeah.
SPEAKER_01Don't think I'm like talking to John Waters now. Name dropping. Yeah. I will say this though, like in 2015 and in 2017, we used to have the Baltimore City paper, which sadly closed down, and they used to have voting things for it. Like, you know, it's like best local pizza plays, best local programs. Everything, yeah. Like our podcast, my old podcast got best local podcast once. But I actually won or I got I came in third place twice for best local celebrity. What? Wow, yeah, which was a joke I think my friends kind of did because they all voted for me. But the funny part was is there's only three, there was one, two, and three, and John Waters was always number one. Yeah, and and I was always number three, and this other guy who's like known as the beer guy was number two. Cheap ass beer, cheap ass beer guy, right? That was the name of it.
SPEAKER_03So here's a story. I worked at that bar for 10 years. Oh, no way. I'm not I'm not him, but I worked there for 10 years, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And his name was Josh. His name is Josh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Josh, the cheap ass beer guy. Yep. So me, Josh, and John Wooders went to the they had like a party for all the nominees. So it was like the three local celebrities of Baltimore, and I was the third best local celebrity.
SPEAKER_03Hey, you beat Michael Phelps, man.
SPEAKER_01I I mean, like, I am not famous whatsoever. It was like a joke, kind of, but I got enough votes to be on that list. So with John Wooders.
SPEAKER_04We're gonna advertise this podcast as the third most famous person in Baltimore and joins us.
SPEAKER_01So not true. I'm more famous than Barry Levinson, like right, like, no, that's not happening. We're gonna say 2016 is the third most famous. And the thing is, like, I think 2017 was the last year, too. So like I am the third most famous person, most famous local celebrity forever, because it can never be reproven. Exactly. Right.
SPEAKER_04I mean, I say lean into it. I'd have a trophy myself. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03Nice. Oh man. And then got, you know, when uh John Waters, God forbid, when he leaves this earth, you know, you'll you'll slide up a spot.
SPEAKER_01Right. Cheap ass beer guy will take the throne and I'll be his side man. So if something happens to cheap ass beer guy, we know who to who to blame.
SPEAKER_02Accidents happen in bars all the time.
SPEAKER_01Pretty good horror movie, actually. The guy who's the third best kills the other two. That's right. It happens often, right?
SPEAKER_04It's a good idea. I don't know if it's a great idea. Uh speaking of ideas, I mean, I I was listening to, just to get a feel for you guys, I had to listen to, not had to, I got to listen to the Evil Dead 2 episode while I was well in the yard today. And yeah, I like hearing like Jamie and you guys talk about the things that go through our minds as far as the premises and the setups to these movies, but you know, actually defining them and telling us what it is. So it's it's educational, it's like you said, save the cat or the myth, you know, things like that are that go through your mind, but you just don't have the label for. I was also interested to hear that you fell asleep during uh Evil Dead the first time you watched it.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. But that this was like the 90s, too. You know, I'm I I was a child pretty much. Uh Evil Dead 2, I think I fell asleep at the one.
SPEAKER_04I think that's what I said. Your friend gave you a video and made you watch it saying it was the shit, and you were like, But I was so young, I didn't have uh I didn't have taste.
SPEAKER_01You know what I mean? Right. I was like, what I think I said on that podcast, I might be like, What this isn't back to the future, this sucks. You loved Army of Darkness, though, like you were head over heels for Army of Darkness, yeah. He he then gave me Army of Darkness and I fell in love with that, and then I then you know over the years I went back and I've changed my taste has changed since I was like in high school, thankfully, you know. My music taste hasn't changed, which is a big problem, but but but my film taste has changed.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm sure Mike's got some more before I quiz you on your favorites, but uh he's got a thing.
SPEAKER_03Well, segue into that.
SPEAKER_04So normally we well, let's be honest, it's only been friends and family so far that have been our guests on here so far, but we always get an insight into who we're working with or you know what kind of shit makes them tick, if you will. And the way we like to do it is by asking them their Mount Rush Gore, which is a cute little thing we've uh coined for their top four horror movies, no particular order. Like I think tremors might be right on outside yours or things like that. But yeah, so have you thought about the top four that you would put on your it's like Letterboxd has a top four, just but for horror only.
SPEAKER_01Sure, for horror. Now, I'm not trying to throw any jabs here, but you did just tell me about this, like only RNA. I know, I know. Yep. So it I mean, this is one of those things that's like damn near impossible. You guys know that, right?
SPEAKER_04Well, that's why I didn't say rank, that's why I don't want you to rank them. You just kind of throw out the four that you're gonna keep forever, right?
SPEAKER_01Well, I wrote down four and then I wrote down like a list of honorable mentions, and I actually cheated a little bit because I wrote down a with without comedy and a with comedy. Because I was like, the second you said the second you told me about it, I was like, they're all just horror comedy. Right. With this guy, horror comedy is well.
SPEAKER_04That's mostly mine. That's fine, though. Yeah, that's like if if if you told us four zombies, we're like, he's really into zombies. But if you're like a horror comedy guy, that's your thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, yeah. Well, I separated them for some reason. I was like, because I feel like it would just be horror comedies if I actually had to choose. Which is fine. But I actually love I do love horror. I'm just not a horror guy. That's that's how I usually say it. So with the the the first four that came to mind, and this obviously can change at any time, of course, were this is the non-comedy rush score in the mouth of madness. Oh yep, okay, psycho two. Wow, I love Psycho 2. Don't yeah, it's a it's an odd one to choose, I know. Knight of the Living Dead 1990. I love the remake more than the almost scene for scene reshot the same way.
SPEAKER_04But it's clean.
SPEAKER_01I I don't feel guilty about it because George Romero won't produced it and he wanted it to exist. So it's like in my mind, he was almost that's like a remake where it was like he's doing it, he just let Tom Savini direct it, you know. So, but that movie, it's my favorite zombie movie of all time, and there is just an atmosphere to that movie that's just like I don't know, it's absolutely terrifying. And and then I wrote Phantasm all of them.
SPEAKER_02Oh I am a Phantasm fan, and I I'm sure that you are very sad that Reggie passed. Yeah, R.I.P. on the ninth, yeah.
SPEAKER_01R.I.P. to Reggie. I just and I just watched Phantasm when he died, and I plan to keep going through all of them again.
SPEAKER_04Bob, I gotta I gotta ask you before you go further away from Phantasm, as a script as somebody who's dealt with scripts, you can. That is a flawed script, though, right? Of the first movie? Yeah, it's it's kind of nonsensical a little bit.
SPEAKER_01It is not. I mean, it's nonsensical.
SPEAKER_04But it's good, it's good. It's got one of the best movie props of all time, right?
SPEAKER_01I think I think that Phantasm is like not a movie. Number one, you don't watch Phantasm once. You know what I mean? Like you have to watch it several times. And it is one of those things where it's enriched the farther you go into it. Like the fact that I I said all of them because they're all written by Don Coscarelli. So it's like it's you know, it's kind of like Chucky. It's like it's all one guy, right? Yeah. It's it's all one guy's like coming from one guy's head, and the more you get into it, the more you understand everything. So like Phantasm doesn't, if you just watch the first one, it it is nuts. But I also like that the atmosphere that it gives. But if but actually now we kind of know the lore of the tall man and like the weird you know backstory of how he came to be. So it's like the first one makes more sense now.
SPEAKER_04Okay. So so here's what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say, if if I go through and watch all these movies and they're horrible, I'll, you know, I'm gonna just call you up, be like, what the heck, man?
SPEAKER_01But I mean, look, I'm not gonna convince any Phantasm is weird.
SPEAKER_04The first one I've seen a few times, and and it's it's weird. So I haven't gone further, so that's maybe my problem, you know. Sounds like a you problem. It sounds like a me problem.
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SPEAKER_01I think it's one of those it's a franchise where I wouldn't I wouldn't throw stones at anyone that said they didn't like it, because I get it, you know. Yeah, I get it.
SPEAKER_02Um I've watched them all too. I am a big Phantasm fan, and it does get the movies, do not get better, but the the lore gets better deeper as you go to the movies, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, my favorite one's probably three, and that one has the comedy aspect to it.
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SPEAKER_01Um, I also wrote down some honorable mentions for that, which was Exorcist 1 and 3, The Wicker Man, Shining Jaws, Prince of Darkness, Prince of Darkness, yeah. The thing from Beyond Pet Cemetery. Those are awesome. These are all the without without comedy.
SPEAKER_04The uh these yeah. These two, these two talk shit on me all the time for liking the Wicker Manning.
SPEAKER_01Okay, let me let me not Nick Cage.
SPEAKER_04Right. You're talking about the Christopher Lee one. Yeah, not Nick Cage. Wickerman is a good one.
SPEAKER_01Nick Cage one's hilarious, but unintentionally.
SPEAKER_03Wicker Man to me is like a really great movie, and I'm pretty sure it's even like Britain's like number six all-time greatest movie according to whatever publication. But as far as like a horror goes, it's like there's like one horrific scene.
SPEAKER_01The whole thing is a journey into the thing is a good movie, it's a great movie. It's atmospheric horror.
SPEAKER_03It's not thank you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, there's nothing. It's not anywhere in the realm of like my bloody Valentine, right? I just feel vindicated, that's all. No. I mean, don't let my opinion vindicate you.
SPEAKER_04No, you're the third most popular person in Baltimore. So if you agree.
SPEAKER_01So what are your funny ones? Best local celebrity was the kind of category specifically. So I did the horror com I did a horror comedy one separately of because I, you know, like I said, this was a stupid idea I had last minute, but not to be cliche, but Evil Dead 2. Oh, amazing. Right. Amazing, yeah. Duh. Return of Living Dead. So silly one. Yeah. Bride of Chucky.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I love that one.
SPEAKER_01I love that one. And American Psycho. Yes. Oh, which I consider hilarious. Oh, it's dark. Dark comedy, yeah. Very, very dark. It is really dark, but it is extremely funny. So good. And then Runners Up, I mean, Fright Knight, the Frighteners, Demon Knight, Idle Hands, Knight of the Creeps from Dustal Dawn, Tremors, Bubba Hotep. Oh, yeah. You know.
SPEAKER_03Justin introduced me to Demon Kn for this podcast, and it was really good. I did not realize Billy Zane had that in it. Billy Zane goes out. Billy Zane's like throwing 150 miles an hour in that.
SPEAKER_01More, I got more fun trivia for that if you want. Um, I grew up next door to John Cassier, the voice of the Cripkeeper.
SPEAKER_04Oh, wow. That is a flex right there.
SPEAKER_01I like it. Yeah, it's not, I mean, like, it doesn't add anything. I don't add anything to that. I'm just saying, so like he moved to LA back in the 90s, but I have his parents have sadly passed. But up until like only three years ago, I was I've my my parents and his parents lived next door to each other. Nice. And there was two times where I went to horror conventions, saw him, and like he gave me like a you know, he's like, Bob from the old neighborhood. And the best moment of that was I don't know if you guys ever watched Buffy. I don't know. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He was married to Darla from Buffy. Nice Julie Benz from from Dexter Four. Oh, yeah, of course. Dexter season four RIP. Right, right, right, right, right. So when I saw him, he was like, she she I didn't know she was there with him. So she walked up behind me and he was like, he's like, hun, this is Bob from the old neighborhood. And then she like looks at me and gives me this giant hug. And at that age, I was just like, oh my god, Darla's hugging me right now, you know. But I yeah, like so. I kind of have a connection to John Kassier. He's you know, a old friend from life, I guess.
SPEAKER_04We could talk about this stuff for days, but obviously we've got another end of here. But I did want to say, like, looking watching Demon Knight now as like somebody like just putting it on without Tales from the Crypt being in the background or at the same time frame as it. I was trying to be like, would people understand? What would people think of the Crypt Keeper not knowing anything about Tales from the Crypt? There's this little you know zombie thing walking around making bad puns. Right. And Mike liked it though, right? He liked it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, I mean, it's remember when M. Night Shyamalan was gonna make a new Tales from the Crypt series, and then there was such a violent backlash to the fact that he wasn't going to include John Kassier as the Cripkeeper. They canceled, they canceled the show.
SPEAKER_04They go hand in hand. He was probably gonna cast himself as the Cripkeeper.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's the twist, right? What if it's the Cripkeeper, but he's not funny? Exactly, exactly. Maybe, maybe if like was it the Frighteners and Death Becomes Her ended up actually being what they were, you know, they were supposed to be Cripkeeper movies. Maybe maybe that yeah, maybe that would have kept the brand going. Frighteners was dope. And like Frighteners is one of my favorites.
SPEAKER_04Jeffrey Combs came back in there and Michael J. Fox. It was just Peter Jackson, right? So I mean it's like that's awesome.
SPEAKER_01And and he is Jeffrey Combs is so proud of that movie. He should be. I I I went to a Horcon and I got him to sign a poster of it, and he had nobody number one, he had no one standing there waiting to talk to him, which was nuts. I was like, it's Jeffrey Combs. But he talked, he talked to me and my buddy for like 25 minutes because he was just like so happy someone didn't bring a reanimator thing for him to sign. It's like, thank God. But he's like so proud of that movie and what he did in that movie.
SPEAKER_04Have you ever uh do you travel for the Horror Cons at all? Because last year we I don't go anymore, but I used to.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Last year I took the family to uh Lexington for Scare Fest, and he he and Bruce Abbott and Barbara Crampton were there. Same thing, like there were times where there was nobody at his table, but he's so generous with his time. It wasn't like he was looking over our shoulders to see who was behind us. But yeah, good guy.
SPEAKER_01I mean, to me, it's like he should be like have the same amount of people as like a Freddie Krueger, right? Like they were Jeffrey Combs.
SPEAKER_04Robert England and uh Jeffrey Combs were at the same one, so it was awesome. Right. Anyway, I asked you to also tell me the one that the horror movie that scared the shit out of you the most in your time.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Now I don't even know if you guys qualify this as a horror movie, but I think it's horrific, but as a kid, nothing scared me more than Fire in the Sky. The alien abduction movie? Yeah. The alien abduction scene in Fire in the Sky is like I mean, there's not much that scared me more than that in life.
SPEAKER_04We we do a movie, we do a movie draft years, like fear years is what we call it, and it fell in one of those years, and these two talked me out of using it as a horror movie. No, I don't really recall that at all.
SPEAKER_01It isn't it's it's aliens, you know. So I'll say this like I don't get scared that easily at horror movies. Like movies in general don't like strike that much fear into me. So it's hard, it was hard for me to look back and think, like, okay, horror movie as a kid. I don't think I watched that many horror movies as a kid. As you should. But I did watch Fire in the Sky. Okay. You know, I think that I think I might have watched The Exorcist 3 too young, and I that did freak me out too. But man, that adduction scene of Fire in the Sky, you know.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, all of us have a similar origin story with horror where it's like we were unsupervised and like there were just mountains of VHS tapes to put on, and we were just watching shit that like I wouldn't let my kids watch like for another year or two, and they're 16 already. Right.
SPEAKER_01I was thinking too, like, movies that scare me as a kid. I was like Robocop 2. I was like, but wait, this is a horror movie? You know what it is? It's the it's when they do that live operation on the guy in RoboCop 2. Scared the shit out of me as a kid, but that's not a horror movie. Right.
SPEAKER_04The first one that comes to my mind from like being that age or whatever was like a return to odds. I don't know if you ever saw that one. Oh god, I love it.
SPEAKER_01It was a nightmare, though. I was like, what is happening? But that's why it's so good now. When you're older and you look back on, like, wow, they made this for kids. They did. Right, exactly. He's in like a mental institution and stuff, and it's it's nuts. It's nuts.
SPEAKER_04People were rolling around with wheels on their hands and heads that you can put up.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's like these days, they're they put uh like two months ago, they're putting like stranger things toys in happy meals. I'm like, who are you catering this to? Like like I I have a four-year-old and a six-year-old, and like my four-year-old was all about wanting to all of a sudden watch stranger things because of the toys, and my six-year-old like knows if something's gonna be scary and is just like no, and it's like, Ben, you don't want to watch that, it's scary. I'm like, he was all about like wanting to watch it.
SPEAKER_01So then I I don't I don't feel this way, but I was but like with stranger, I know that like horror people like like at the like people you find at a horror convention that work there constantly, they view like Walking Dead or Stranger Things as like the Walmart of horror, you know? Yeah, like they have I don't I don't agree with that. Like I agree with your assessment though of them.
SPEAKER_04They do, yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's they they view it like that, right? And so it's because it's because it's for everyone, like people everybody can watch it. I don't feel like that. I enjoyed much of Walking Dead, not all of it, it's pretty got pretty bad, but but but Stranger Things I love too. You know, so it's like, come on, guys. I think it's a gate, it's like a gateway drug, you know. That's what I like to push.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so be a contrarian. The last thing, oh yeah, exactly. It's like, oh, everybody loves it, so nobody can love it. It's nuts. But the last thing I think I asked in my shout-out or thing to you was what about recent movies that you've just been over the moon for? That's the oldest timey thing I've ever said in my life. The over the moon. Over the moon. Well, fellows, how's it going? Like obsession, G Willakers or back rooms. Like, have any like really caught you and said, Hey, we're in a good place right now with horror, or what what are you thinking?
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, I think we are in a good place, right? With backrooms and obsession, number one, just indie horror. Right. Has it ever been bigger? I mean, how much money did obsession make, right? It's over four. I mean, anyone interested in in my opinion on that, we did we did both of those on our show. I they were pretty much glowing across the board on our shows. So yeah, but I didn't actually list them when you when you asked, I put four down. I didn't, those actually weren't on there. Okay, I tried to go with stuff that I truly love myself. And I wrote down one was the Bone Temple. I thought I love I love 20 years later the Bone Temple. Smile 2. Good, really good, right? Smile 2 is kind of awesome. Yeah, unexpectedly. I I remember I I went to see it and I was like, eh the first one was fine, let me go see it. And then it just blew me away. Her performance in that movie.
SPEAKER_04There was something, yeah, like you couldn't look away from the screen. Like something about her face. I'm not that wasn't anything other than she captured the screen and kept your attention.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and the ending is like, I want to see three so bad now.
SPEAKER_04There's gonna be 80,000 people that are affected, infected by the screen. Right, right. What is that movie?
SPEAKER_02It's gonna be like Resident Evil, post-apocalyptic type movie.
SPEAKER_01Right, right. Infinity pool.
SPEAKER_03Okay, we watch that would we watch that too.
SPEAKER_01It was a group watch, yeah. Yeah, did you guys like it? It's not for everyone.
SPEAKER_04It was minor, it was out there with the idea, like the idea of like the rich people being able to, you know, you know, get around their punishments. That was it was nuts.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I remember when I watched it, I said, I think I said on Letterboxd or something, I was like, you know, there's an argument to be made, this is happening in the exact same universe as multiplicity. Because it's basically the same technology. Same thing. Yeah, exactly. That's the sequel. They they they break. It's a good double feature, though. I think if I had a if I had a theater, I would absolutely show that double theatre. Okay. I like it.
SPEAKER_03Was the fourth one a little special? She touched my pee-pee's teeth. You're right.
SPEAKER_01Infinity pool 2 starring Michael Keaton. Right. That's what I want. I would watch it. I'm not gonna Infinity Two Pull. Right. And then I I wrote down a movie that I just I just can't help but keep re-watching, is Doctor Sleep. Uh Mike Flanagan killed it. Right? Like he absolutely killed it. I just I just put it on sometimes, and I just I enjoy that movie so much.
SPEAKER_04So I'm not gonna tell you which one of the three in here, but one was really affected by the the baseball kid getting uh brutally murdered on screen.
SPEAKER_01Is that you? That was you. And that wait I did that. Did it turn you off to the movie?
SPEAKER_04No, not really. It was just really hard to watch. So I watched it with my wife, and we had to like take a break afterward. Not me and my wife, but we had to stop the movie and come back to it a little later because she was like, I need a break, you know, because right, right. It's but like the think of the gymnastics that Mike Flanagan had to do with like wedding the story, the the book, and the and the first movie that Stephen King hated, right? Like and like making this thing, it was perfect, right?
SPEAKER_01So it was not appreciated for everything that it did. I mean, it made Stephen King like the Kubrick movie, finally, right? But then if they just titled it, it's a worse title, but if they just titled it Shining, you know, Colonel Dr. Sleep or The Shining 2 Dr. Sleep, it's a terrible title, but it would have had people understand what the hell it is because Dr. Sleep as alone sounds like an awful thing, right?
SPEAKER_04It sounds like a place you go if you need a sleep apnea machine or a mattress, yeah, or that scene just needed shining in the damn title.
SPEAKER_01That's all.
SPEAKER_02That scene with that when they kill that kid, I was like De Niro in uh Untouchables, hat girl. I want her dead. Old guy, I want him dead, tall guy dead.
SPEAKER_04I'm not gonna lie, uh, even knowing what I know about Rebecca Ferguson's character in that movie, I'd still buy her a drink, you know.
SPEAKER_01Okay, why what would you rather? Nikki? Yeah, okay. If you if you haven't watched the director's cut too. Okay. I think it's I think it's even a better movie, too. So awesome. Mike Flanagan, man. Yeah, I mean, he's Baltimore. Uh I one of my best friends, his first movie, Mike Flanagan, was the cinematographer all. Oh god. Wow. Yeah, that's how that's how far back in Baltimore indie horror Mike Flanagan goes.
SPEAKER_04What didn't they just make a big announcement about what he's handling next, other than the gunslinger and the dark tower? Exorcists? That's right. I was like, if anybody can do it.
SPEAKER_01And also, I think he can't he wrote Clayface.
SPEAKER_04Did he?
SPEAKER_01Okay. Yeah, he wrote that's why they greenlit it so fast. Is Mike Flanagan was like, here, and so yeah, you got a great script by like this master horror guy, so why not?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think I binged all those shows on Netflix. Yeah, I was kind of bummed that he moved over to Prime, but I was like, Yeah, you gotta go where the money is.
SPEAKER_03As a big exorcist fan, and as much as I hated the believer, the David Gordon Green one.
SPEAKER_01I didn't even watch him.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I was like, I when I heard they were redoing this again, I was weary, and then it's like Mike Flanning is attached to it. Like, it's it like that's the safest person you could trust with this. Like the floor is gonna be so high, like he's not gonna be terrible.
SPEAKER_02I think we covered this in one of our episodes where it was like this this could be really good. It could be really, really good, or it could be really I don't think there's gonna be an in-between like eh, it was okay, it's gonna be really good, or it's gonna be a mistake.
SPEAKER_04Uh yeah, I think we came to the conclusion that basically there's no winning. When you redo the Texas Chainsaw Masker like Curry Barker's supposed to do, there's no winning. You like at best, you're gonna be like, oh, it's pretty good, but it wasn't as good as the original. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Which is kind of like that whole franchise, right? You know, I even though I Texas Chainsaw 2, which could totally be on my list too. One of my favorite movies ever. But but like that's where we're gonna diverge. I love too, yeah. That's good. But I I I trust those guys to at least know that they can't top it, right? I think that's the first step in doing something like that. Is like I can't ever top the exorcist topping the exorcist? Like, are you crazy? You know, Exorcist 3 even is kind of perfect, too, in my opinion, but yeah, not Exorcist 2, though. There's a documentary about Exorcist 2 coming out. No wow about what the hell happened.
SPEAKER_03Exorcist 3 is great. Exorcist 3 might have one of the best jump scares ever. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Ever. We you remember that shot? The shot too with like the crucifix's eyes opening? That scared me as a kid. I oh yeah. I remember that. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, three brought it back.
SPEAKER_04Two and off the rails. We actually are releasing our we recorded it last week, but this Monday our our our tent pole episode of Exorcist is coming out. So we did a little more deep dive in and Exorcist and loved it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So we've done it, we've done the Exorcist too. It's it's uh Exorcist as well. Yeah, not Exorcist too. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03All right, so this I think this last question I got for you, it'll kind of segue us into the film discussion today on My Bloody Valentine. Tell us, Bob, a little bit about Mondo Baltimore and then your relationship with this film as you screened My Bloody Valentine at Warehouse Cinemas back in April.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so Mondo Baltimore, best way I could I can describe it is it's Baltimore's it was Baltimore's answer to MMST3K, but if the audience was were the guys from MST3K, the original conceit I think was like showing a movie and then the audience could were encouraged the callbacks and everything. I've been involved, I haven't been involved from the very beginning, but I've been involved with it for 15 years now. So that's pretty much most of its life. And it's evolved, you know, like it kind of just became it now. It's it's screening very unheard of movies at the auto bar in Baltimore. That's it's free. That's monthly free, and you know, like there that's a whole like you know fun thing to do with you know, there's like uh hosts and announcers, sometimes there's tables selling stuff, yeah. There's a bar and everything.
SPEAKER_03QA sounds like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. There's a fun dungeon, it's called as the afterwards, and there's like sometimes there's dance parties, karaoke, everything.
SPEAKER_04They should call it a fungeon.
SPEAKER_01You know, combine, you know, every episode. And then the moms, the dad jokes. It's like a joke, it's the joke from the office, right? Like the synergy exactly, right? It's whatever it is. I forget what the joke is, but it's so ball, so Mono Baltimore, right before the pandemic, we actually started doing these screenings at actual theaters. Where first it was the parkway, but now it's moved to the rotunda in Hampton. Sorry if I'm just throwing out Baltimore stuff here.
SPEAKER_03You're good.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but so every month we also show a movie in an actual movie theater with an actual like print, you know, which is great. It's my I'm so happy about this because it's not like speaking of my buddy Valentine, this is all the mostly the baby of my friend Sean, who's a big, you know, one of the main guys in mono Baltimore. He does most of the like final decision making, but these aren't movies that we're like making fun of or saying they're bad, like we are with the autobar. The auto bar is for like you know, like the troll two or something that that's you know, but but but this is stuff we actually love, you know. Like we showed, like we showed pieces. Fuck yeah, man. Last action hero, mortal combat, double impact. These are like fun, crazy fun, crazy movies that we actually enjoy.
SPEAKER_03Did you say last action hero?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, dude, fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_03I literally watched that this morning.
SPEAKER_01That's amazing.
SPEAKER_03I mean with my son at like 6 a.m. He was just up, so I got up. I threw on Tubi, and it was like it was like the second movie listed on Tubi. I'm like, I'm watching that.
SPEAKER_01It's old 80th time. Ask any of my friends last action. I'm like one of my favorite movies of all time. It's amazing. I've got a frame poster of it right here, like literally. So so yeah, for me to see, I didn't see it on the big screen. So for us to be able to do that and it actually see with an audience and hearing everybody respond to it and stuff it's amazing. Oh man, it's so good, so cool, so awesome.
SPEAKER_04So, do you work with a project?
SPEAKER_01Then that builds the reels, or is this a so that when I say print, I mean like the studio sends a DCP to the theater.
SPEAKER_04Okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01It's not 35 millimeter stuff. Like we don't have, you know, we're kind of like they are letting us do this because we bring in the crowd.
SPEAKER_04Right. Yeah. So for like 300 bucks, you get the movie and then like whatever.
SPEAKER_01Well, we don't not even? I don't I can't. I'm I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about how that works. But but like it's the theater is letting us do this film, this series with them. Like we, you know, and and we've gone through lots of horror stuff, but we've also done everything else. Like we did the original Turtles movie and everything, and you know, we did Mars attacks, like stuff like that. Like it's just stuff we love that we just really want to see in a theater again with people. Like uh, like one of the first one was UHF. Nice, you know, then we then we did Clifford, which was amazing. They do Clifford movies. The Martin Short movie, the Martin Short movie, not the big red dog, not the big red dog, right? So, so like, yeah, that's like the like what we're that's not a whole night with a bunch of stuff. That is like we're screening this, come on out. We might say something at the beginning, but there's not like a whole bunch of stuff happening because it's at a real theater. So, yeah, my bloody Valentine, great screening, great time. We got we were lucky enough that we showed the uncut version or the recut, yeah, the shout factory release. Yeah, the better one, the nine extra minutes or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. I think it's nine. Is it nine? I think that's what I think. Something like that, yeah. Something like that. But yeah, no, it went over great. I we uh we we filled most of the theater, people really responded to it. I hadn't seen my bloody valentine in so long. So for me, it was like a reintroduction to the movie, and what better way to do it than on the big screen? Because I'd only ever seen it on a crap on a crappy VHS stage. So it was it was really awesome to see on the big screen. I'll say that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and this is a great one for a group watch in a theater setting with oh man.
SPEAKER_01I mean, like it was one of those ones, like everyone enjoys these things. We've only ever had a few bad ones. Like we showed uh Police Academy 5. Oh don't even don't ask, don't ask.
SPEAKER_04Is that after the Tony Hawk one? That's after the Tony. That's four.
SPEAKER_01That's four. Let's just say I actually like Police Academy 5, but it did not go well. But we recovered it with some comedy because it the reel kept it kept like glitching out, and then our one of our hosts kept like making jokes during it, so it kind of worked.
SPEAKER_04That's crazy.
SPEAKER_01But but after my bloody valentine, uh everyone was just like jazzed after the movie was over. Like I just remember that in the lobby. Everyone was like just like, oh man, I forgot how amazing it was and how awesome. Actually, and so I remember some people said that it's actually scary. I don't think anyone was expecting that. Yeah, they found it actually kind of a little bit scary. That's good though. I mean, if you're claustrophobic, a lot of the stuff in the mine, yeah. If you're claustrophobic for sure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, any kind of anyone doing a first watch, yeah. There's some minor jump scares in there.
SPEAKER_04Especially if, like you said, it's not just horror films. So, like sometimes it's like you said, the turtles. Hot take Secret of the Ooze is better than the first one. But I like the first one better, but I love Secret of the Ooze, so I'm not very so so like, yeah, maybe they came to one of those other ones where it was more of like a comedy or like a just a yeah, quote unquote shitty, and then this one's you know, it's a slasher film.
SPEAKER_01So I think when when you have a brand that's like kind of comedic, Mondo is a comedic brand. Like, we and when we do show comedy stuff, you can't nothing is better than people laughing. Like we showed basketball or last action hero. People laughing is just we showed uh face off. Oh my god. The crowd went insane, you know. But for something like this, like there was some there's some laughter, you know, it's funny, but it it's it it's a different type of enjoyment, so it's like I think people don't know how to sometimes respond, right? You know?
SPEAKER_04So you so this is a like it's fine to like openly chat with your friend or like make little jokes and stuff, kind of screening, or is it a oh okay, so this is a bit serious.
SPEAKER_01Kind of you know, you can yeah, you can laugh and respect other people. The same rules you would have at any uh we're this is an actual movie screening, like it's not it's not rocky horror, not rocky horror, yeah. It's not Rocky Horror or anything. Like I I get annoyed if anyone treats it like that because I'm like, no, this is real movie theater. We're actually watching this movie. You can laugh and stuff, that's fine. I mean, but it's any rule you would see if you're going to see the a new, like the new Spider-Man or something. Don't shut up.
unknownShut up.
SPEAKER_04You know, don't talk. I worked as a as a teenager, worked in a movie theater for about eight years or so, you know, various roles, projectionist, manager, whatnot. So like the movies, we also had some older ones that we would do on like a Friday, right? And bring them out, and people would show up, kind of, they'd show up lit. Like they'd show up drunk, and then order beers to get. So, like, yeah, you had to kind of set the rules a little bit.
SPEAKER_01I mean so Rotunda in Baltimore has a bar, right?
SPEAKER_04Exactly.
SPEAKER_01And and I'm like, I'm not saying that there's anyone like policing everybody, but the general vibe is this is not Mondo at the auto bar. Like we're here to actually watch my bloody Valentine. Like, right, we want to watch this. Nice. This is not to make fun of it. We love we like you know, we we want to watch this genuinely. So that's it's like that's how Mondo's evolved. Like, we have both of them now. We have the one that you get to do anything you want, and then the then this. Like, no, no, we love this. Let's watch it, you know.
SPEAKER_03Awesome, awesome. Well, if you live in the Baltimore area, or if you don't, make the long road trip and get there and catch some of these screenings. I've seen some of the pics you guys have, and I'm like, I wish I was there for that. I wish I lived there for that. Pieces, Jason X. I'm like, man, I wish I was there for that. Bro, Jason X.
SPEAKER_01We packed the theater for Jason X. It was great. I bet. I bet. Yeah, it's fun, man. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, let's talk about my bloody Valentine, guys. I've heard this referred to as it's like the deer hunter without the Vietnam stuff.
unknownWait a second.
SPEAKER_03Really? Is that the accurate?
SPEAKER_04Didn't the director say that?
unknownMaybe.
SPEAKER_01I think the director might have said that.
SPEAKER_04All I all I know about deer hunter is Diddy Mao.
SPEAKER_03Like that's what she wants. Yeah, Charlie, I'll kick this one to you. As a child of the 80s, how does my bloody Valentine resonate with you?
SPEAKER_02It was great. I love this movie. It's one of those, like you said, from the 80s. And that was, you know, when I was in my movie watching prime, summers off, being in school, mom working at a video store. So I could just walk to the store and get anything I wanted. She was in horror movies. And this was one that, I mean, I don't know how many summers in a row I rented this until we got HBO and Showtime. And then it was on like all the time throughout the 80s. And it's just, I mean, it's just classic. It's got kind of like that. Like you know how you can tell when their writers on a movie are like 50, 55, so they throw in that lingo that like the cop uses. Oh my gosh. And it's like, I remember that. There was just like so many and it's good and it's bad at the same time. I mean, the acting was it suffered from some huge tonal shifts, and that's right. Right, yeah, for sure. But yeah, this was one of those that was like, Bloody Valentine's on this Saturday at 10 on HBO. Okay, we're watching it. We're watching it.
SPEAKER_03Nice. Justin, I'm gonna uh take a guess and ask you why you're gonna give my bloody valentine a three out of ten. Am I close?
SPEAKER_04Uh you're close, but it's not going to be a three, I don't think.
SPEAKER_03So uh it just seems to be the of the ones we've done of this campy type, it is not your bag. It's not martyrs. It's martyrs is great.
SPEAKER_04Martyrs. Listen, listen to us give Mike some shit on the martyrs episode.
SPEAKER_03They can't, they love it so much, they can't help it. Every episode after it's a good one. Every episode I catch strays because you guys can't stop talking about it.
SPEAKER_01I bet the episodes where you disagree, though, are pretty good episodes. They are fun, yeah. We're all together, you know. There's not no conflict. We talked about Rose McDonald's. Listen to the hereditary episode on our show. Oh, yeah. Me and Jimmy do not we did not agree on hereditary. Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_04We did a hereditary episode too, so we'll I'll have to compare them. Yeah. Uh but yeah, so this was the first time that I've seen the original version of this movie. I think the remake with Jensen X. 2009. Yeah. Um which obviously I've never seen that. Really? It was fine. And there were some. Yeah, yeah. Don't rush out to it, right?
SPEAKER_01So I like the director because I like Drive Angry.
SPEAKER_04That's Nick Cage, too, right? Isn't it? It's the Nick Age. We've got some appreciation for Nick on this podcast. Nick's the man. We love Nick. But yeah, I would say it's the first time I saw it. It's still it didn't jump ahead any of the traditional slashers, the the Texas Chainsaw Massacres, the Halloween, the Jason, you know, anything like that. But you know, I'm glad I watched. And you know, I'm putting it right down the middle. It's a solid, solid double. I love that. You know, huh? Fair enough.
SPEAKER_01You you don't agree with Quentin Tarantino, basically, is what you're saying.
SPEAKER_04It's the yeah, it did not inspire me to make films.
SPEAKER_01Did you guys read that? Is this his favorite of all time?
SPEAKER_03There's a Tarantino cut on YouTube.
SPEAKER_04I will tell you.
SPEAKER_03It's got six extra minutes of feet. That's all God.
SPEAKER_04And a bunch of N-words for some reason. Like, what the heck? So uh, so I will tell you, I did appreciate the like the assumed sequel aspect to it. It was almost like, hey, this is it's treated itself like a sequel to a movie that we had should have seen, right? Yeah, it's like 20 years ago this guy went apeshit and killed all these people, sent his box of hearts or whatever. So that I that I enjoyed a lot. I think part of this was like, oh, we should do something in this mine, right? They probably had a mine first, right? And then they said, we need to do something with this down here because it's such a character in itself.
SPEAKER_01So what I heard was they didn't have a mine first. I actually know that.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_01No, they actually went to Nova Scotia and found a mining town.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then the town was so like, oh my god, a movie movie studio is coming here. They made the mine look all clean up, cleaned up and everything. They like renovated the whole thing, and then they got there, like, what'd you do? We wanted it to look terrible, right? And then they had to pay more money to make it look like crap again.
SPEAKER_02They spent $75,000 in 1980 money to make it look like crap again. That's like a quarterback. I mean, it was just like But this movie they had to find some old hot dogs. That was a good point. Like this movie, it it they could have this could have been a Friday the 13th, a Halloween franchise. They could have done a prequel to do the original stuff that Harry Warden did, and then did a sequel. Because, I mean, we don't know that that guy died in that month. Well, he didn't. He did, I mean, the ending. Right. Yeah. We don't know that he died. Right. They could have easily throughout the 80s into the 90s.
SPEAKER_04There's kind of like a like before there were stingers, there was kind of a stinger where it shows him running off, like Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02Until later. As he twists his handlebar mustache. Right, right. You'll never get it.
SPEAKER_01He comes back in the next movie. He's got like a pickaxe for his arm instead of his arm or whatever. It's just like duct taped on there and nailed it.
SPEAKER_04Much like the prop that Happy set up, you know? It's just like you can only swing by a pickaxe.
SPEAKER_03So this is the part where the recording breaks down. Uh, you heard the guys, they got in their thoughts on their relationship to my bloody Valentine. I'll share mine with you real quick. It wasn't until a number of years ago until I really got introduced to this film. It was one that growing up, I don't remember seeing it on the VHS rental shelf. It didn't have a box that like jumped out at me. Like some boxes definitely do. You can vividly see the image on the box. This one not so much, and it also wasn't one that I recall seeing on television a lot. Your big franchise ones, your Halloween, your Jason, your Freddy, your Chucky, they would have like marathons on TV. These be on all the time during spooky season, and My Bloody Valentine just not so much. I remember my wife Mary Bree and I decided to watch My Bloody Valentine 3D, the 2009 remake of this. One night we just wanted to throw on something dumb and we just randomly searched something on demand. We didn't want to have watch anything you had to think about too much. Turns out I thoroughly enjoyed it. So that's when I went back and sought out the original from 1981. It's my favorite horror subgenre, is this the campy slasher type of movie? Fits in the same box as your Friday the 13th, your sleepaway camp, etc. We talk about how this comes out on the heels of Friday the 13th. We talk about holiday horror movies such as Black Christmas, Halloween, of course, in 1980 alone, New Year's Evil, Mother's Day, Friday the 13th, My Bloody Valentine comes out right after that in 81, Silent Night, Deadly Night, April Fool's Day. Don't sleep on April Fool's Day. Solid holiday horror movie from 1986. A host of sequels stemming off of all those. So we talked a little bit about Halloween horror. And then wasn't too much to talk about when it came to director, writer, the crew on this one. If you go to IMDB, the director George Mahalka, the writers, Steven Miller, John Beard, they have most of these guys, including everyone in the cast, when you look on their IMDB, the thing they're most well known for is My Bloody Valentine. And then everything else you see might be bigger in Canada, as this is a Canadian film, but nothing we really resonated with or really stuck out to us. So we didn't spend too much time talking about those guys. Metacritic gave my bloody valentine 46, so right in the middle. Rotten Tomato Critics score of 39%. The audience score liked it a lot better at 53%. And on Letterboxd, 3.2 out of 5 stars. So even higher on the Letterbox rating. Talked about some of the notable reviews. One of them is really deep. Far Out magazine said that this cult classic trades the urban horrors of its contemporaries for the claustrophobic dread of a mining town draped in tradition and tragedy. The film's strength lies in its atmosphere, weaving a grim tale of love and vengeance beneath the oppressive weight of rock and steel. That was just a really strong, deep review of this uh otherwise campy, silly slasher film. And so I really enjoyed that one. The tagline here, there's more than one way to lose your heart. I thought maybe something simple like Be Mine would work. Be mine like the Valentine on the Candy, but also this is a movie about a mining town and miners. And so the you know, be mine kind of has a double meaning. But also the trailer for this, there's many ways to die in Valentine Bluffs. Take your pick. And of course, Harry Warden's weapon of choice in this film is a pickaxe. So I wonder how intentional that was to the tagline there in the trailer that we get. The pickaxe is a weapon, very versatile, more creative than a machete. Like you can do more things with it. A machete is a big cutting tool, and it's very menacing in the way someone like Jason Voorhees wheels it around. But there's a versatility to the pickaxe, and uh that that makes it stand out a little bit, especially the way it, you know, pickaxes are usually duller, but they dig in. You can drag somebody with it, just like Happy gets dragged when he gets impaled from neck through the eyeball with the pickaxe and then drug you know out of the way. We talked about the pickaxe for a little bit as a as a very versatile, incredibly scary weapon for a slasher to carry. We talked about our favorite kill. And I think our favorite one might have been Sylvia, who was impaled on the shower head for only for her boyfriend John to find her with the water from the shower head spitting out of her mouth. Incredible scene there. One of the worst, I mean, one of the best for funny reasons was Howard, the character, he's the goofball character in this one. He gets hung, he gets dropped down, he's hanging by a rope, and then the his neck, his head snaps, and so he falls the rest of the way down this mineshaft, falling face first. But it's such an obvious dummy the way the dummy lands. The legs stick straight up when it lands, and then the next time they come and find Howard, you know, they're laying straight down. So the obvious dummy was just kind of a funny moment in this one. Some of the other things we talk about, dumbest characters, probably whoever decided to boil hot dogs uh instead of for getting a frying pan. Also, Dave, the character who his kill is getting his head shoved into the boiling pot of hot dogs. Like, dude, just push that pot of boiling water away. I mean, you don't have to sit there and take it. You know, you just push that thing off the stove, man, and you know, save yourself. But, you know, he just he just takes it. His head gets shoved in there and doesn't really seem to be able to do much else about it. The body count in this, we debated it's either 10 or 16, depending on uh who you ask. The flashback sequence has the explosion in the mine where four miners succumb and then two supervisors that are killed by Harry Warden, which we only see one on screen. So it is ten on screen, six in the lore of the uh film. So whichever one you want to pick, ten or sixteen is the body count here. We talk about gore score on all of our episodes. We rate the goriness of a movie on a scale of one to ten. We decided to land on, I think, five and a half for this. You know, most of us thought it was about a five, a six, but the uncut version definitely ramps it up to a you know seven and eight, you know, eight and a half. A lot of the stuff that was cut out of this was cut out because of the recent murder of John Lennon. So a lot of people were on edge about violence and seeing violence on screen, and so the MPAA was really cracking down. So a lot of the stuff that was cut out of here was the extended scenes of the gore to not show too much, but the extra nine minutes, I think, that you can find online, a lot gorier, a lot more of the extended scenes of things going into the victims and coming out through the victims, if you will. But this movie features a pickaxe through a heart, a death that is super gory by the gorious one in the movie, where in the flashback scene, Harry Warden kills one of the supervisors from the mine, they got his friends killed, and he is just digging into an open chest to find a heart. There is blood all over the place, incredibly gory stuff there. Mabel, poor Mabel, she ends up in the dryer, head burned, hair burned, a little bit of goop, kind of gory. Our world's least happy bartender, ironically enough, named Happy, gets a pickaxe up through the jaw and out his eyeball and then drug away. I talked about Sylvia getting the shower head impaled through the back of her head and out her mouth. We have a boiled head, we talked about Dave. We have Mike and Harriet get impaled with a drill bit. We have a nail gun into the head, and we have a hanging where someone's head snaps off, plus a pickaxe to the gut. So we landed on five and a half because there's a lot of gore, there's a lot of victims here, but it's not extended gore. It's a lot of it is implied, some of it takes place off-screen, but if you watch the extended version, it's pretty explicit. And then the director, George Mahalka, he approached Paramount Pictures with a sequel idea in 2001. 2001 would have been 20 more years after the 1981 original, and Paramount declined, didn't want to do it. This is a movie that had easy prequel ability because of the flashback scenes. Justin alludes to this almost being a sequel because they tell us about the lore of the miners, the supervisors being killed 20 years ago, and then the Valentine's Day stuff, they start putting things on hold because Valentine's Day is a cursed day in this town. So they don't celebrate it. But now that it's 20 years later, they feel safe in doing so. You know, so there's prequel ability, we had sequel ability, and Paramount's just like, nope, we're good. Kind of a shame. We all agreed, like we wanted to see a sequel to this, or you know, another version of this. The remake kind of flips this one on its head a little bit, but it's definitely not a sequel. It's not, it's just different. We really wanted to see a sequel to this. Our horror hall of fame that we do for every episode, we didn't really put any of the categories in there except for props. Uh, we did not have George Mahalka for director. We don't really think Harry Warden or Axel is the Hall of Fame killer, but we do think the suit, the gas mask, the whole get up. Like that is iconic to this film. If if you go to horror cons, you see people dressed in this. So it is a Pretty iconic getup and a pretty scary one, too. Our final thoughts on My Bloody Valentine. We pretty much talked a little bit about the character decisions and the setting here. These guys as a group are, you know, blue-collar workers. They work in a mine. They are work hard, they play hard, they get off work, they race to the bar, they're speeding down the road to get to the bar first. They're going to pick up their girls on the way. They go to the same bar probably every Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, probably every night of the week, to be honest. And you drink a bunch of moose head and they they sing songs and they pick on the waitresses. And you know, they're just they're regulars at this place. They're they're people, they're pretty much like they're very likable guys. And yeah, it kind of is a break from all like the teenage characters that you see in a lot of these slashers, where it is the teenagers being targeted, they're high schoolers or younger, and it's nice that this you know this one features some young adults, some mature people doing a mature job. And one of the characters that resonated the most with us and we enjoyed the most was Hollis. He is a big dude, he's got an incredible mustache, big head of hair, attractive girlfriend. He's also strong enough to break up a fight, break both people up in a fight with each one in each arm, and just pounds beer all night long. So pretty pretty guy that we liked a lot. The character that I think most times in horror, they would just take like the big guy and make him frumpy and make him the one that just annoys people, the one that would just have food stains on his shirt, or they'd kill him like first or second because he's easy prey, because he's fat and slow or something. And they kind of make Hollis the leader here. He's like the badass of the group. You know, he's just awesome, dude. Somebody that really resonated with us a lot, and we just really like the the pick of the characters here and the setting more than more than most anything else. So, my bloody valentine. We all really enjoyed it. Yeah, I wish we could have gotten this whole recording in for you so you could listen to our extended banter and our extended conversation back and forth. But yeah, my bloody valentine. This is it. Our next host on this show is gonna be Charlie. His next pick is Phantasm, one of the picks the one of the movies that Bob Rose picked as uh one of his four favorites. All of them, he said. So Phantasm is coming up next week on All Guts Agory. We'll try to have some mini episodes in between as well. But thanks for sticking it out. Sorry for the incomplete episode, the incomplete breakdown here of My Bloody Valentine. If you are a My Bloody Valentine super fan, sorry we couldn't do it justice. We tried. But we did have a ton of fun recording this episode. Special thank you to Bob Rose again for joining us. If you do like what we do here on All Guts So Gory, I guarantee you're gonna love what Bob Rose, Jimmy George, and Jamie Nash do on Writers Blockbusters, and you should go check out their podcast as well, where they treat the final edit of a film as the final draft of the script. I hope I got that right. For three guys with filmmaking with screenwriting backgrounds, it's a really unique perspective on why writers and directors make the choices that they do. You'll listen to some of these episodes about your favorite movies, and you'll just hear little things about the script, the screenwriting process, the choices they make, the little details you would otherwise have not even thought about. And it kind of just blows your mind sometimes. So please go and check out Writers Blockbusters. I think they're a fantastic podcast, and those guys deserve a ton of praise. That wraps it up here for All Guts So Gory. If you like what we do here, please leave us a rate and review. It's the best thing you can do to help us out. Drop us a line in our show notes. If you drop us a line there, we can engage with you. We'd love to engage with our fans. Please follow us at all guts so gorypod on Instagram. And next week we have Phantasm coming up. This was my bloody Valentine, kinda. I'm Mike. Thank you again to Bob, Charlie, and Justin, Andy. Take us home.
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